I had a really long post written about how I realized using tables was bad, and how I'm going back to css because I'd rather look back and say "Yup, even before it was required by the World Police I used CSS to make my site beautiful, funcitonal, and accessible." Instead, I leave you with the above sentence, this sentence, and a link to a rough sketch of my idea for a CSS Zen Garden css submittion. A nowhere near finished picture of what I want to submit to CSS Zen Garden can be found here: http://www.woventhorns.com/cssv1.htm Comments/Suggestions very welcome. EDIT:: To head a few comments off at the pass, I'm planning on changing the semi-circle at the very top, and using the big blank spaces right under where the semi-circle is for a cheesy looking cartoon kung-foo scene that will take place in a bamboo hut or something. The theme name will be something stupid like kung-foolery. Think kung-fu chaos... If the link doesn't work, grab the ugly .gif here and put it on a red background. Yes, I made a mistake in how I wrote the page, and no, I can't change it until I get home.