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Dark Crystal

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by macroman, 4 May 2004.

  1. Pookeyhead

    Pookeyhead It's big, and it's clever.

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    I can't agree more. SO many great mods just languish in the forums, yet there are so many with links from bit-tech.net that quite frankly... are at best average.

    Blackmesa rocks.. more so than Orac in my opinion. Orac is something that just requires a lot of money thrown at it.. Blackmesa is pure skill. Some of the most talented paintwork I've ever seen on a computer case.

    [puts on flame proof suit]
     
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  2. Etacovda

    Etacovda New Member

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    I guess its all personal preference. I wouldnt say that Orac is 'all money'... the accuracy of his work is very impressive, and the design is great - when he gets around to finishing it, I know it will be an impressive full unit; whereas i believe that piloux will make a few changes with the HL2 case, as he did with dark crystal. Its not 'finished' yet, theres something distinctly missing in my eyes, although i cant put my finger on it.

    I would imagine that Orac3 inspired piloux quite a bit, as it did everyone else around here ;)

    Id say that BM-HL2 is an artform, whereas Orac3 is more about engineering and design.
     
  3. Pookeyhead

    Pookeyhead It's big, and it's clever.

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    True... wasn't dissing Orac in anyway. I just used it as a basis for contrast, as one is on Bit-Tech.net, and one is tucked away in the forums when it doesn't deserve to be. Yes, Orac entails some pretty precision cutting and engineering, but it still pales in comparison to Mesa in my opinion.

    Some mods on Bit-Tech.net just don't deserve to be: MacroCase springs to mind. Forgive me if I'm missing something, but isn't that just a Lian Li with some extra drive lights, some wheels; a window; a fanbus, and a LCD display? A more cynical mind would assume that staff writers are putting their mods up there regardless of whether they actually deserve to be there or not, when they have a wealth of truly awe inspiring mods in the forums.

    and before anyone says anything, I'm not having a pop at Macro... as that would be silly - he's done some awesome mods... this just isn't one of them. In his own words: "This article is not meant to be a step-by-step “how to” but rather a “This is what I’ve done to my case” sort of article."

    Yeah... you added lights and wheels.

    Get the dead weight off there, and start pulling some of the more juicy stuff off the forums!!!
     
  4. macroman

    macroman The One

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    I would not normally respond to this type of post but I think a cloud needs to be lifted. Before I go any further I will state that I don't give a rats @ss what people think of my mods. I do what I do for a reason and not to impress sheep.

    You have no idea what you are blathering on about what should be on the site or why or any concept of the community that is bit-tech nor, it seems read the article texts. Mods appear on the site for a variety of reasons and one of the common reasons is that they offer something new or unique to the modding community. In some cases just because they are really that good!

    As an example the "macro case" is over 4 years old and was made at a time when the vast majority of mods consisted of a window, extra fans and a blue LED. In it's day the project demonstrated REAL engineering skills and introduced several new design concepts which have become popular and even sported on commercial products to this day.

    E.G. The use of fibre optics was introduced to the community as was the stealthed floppy, USB bay and the lit fan bus. All of which require precision engineering. Unlike many mods which at that time looked like they had been performed in the dark with a tin opener. The fanbus lighting concept is now found on some commercial units.

    As for the wheels well no one seemed to be doing such a simple and useful mod. You would be surprised how un-inventive some folks can be.

    In fact if you bother to actually read the words then you will realise that all my modding articles are about showing people ideas and concepts and not blowing my own trumpet like some. In other words trying to bring something to the community.

    But the really funny part about the example you chose is that the case won the bit-tech case modding compo and THAT's why it's on the site and if you had actually read the words then you would have known that. It's called history!

    As for the other site mods, they all offer something unique and if you can't see it then you don't understand modding.

    As for juicy mods in the forum appearing on the site well that's up to you guys in the main. All those with project logs have read the forum rules and know what to do. (You have all read it right?) Obviously, unlike you, people seem to think their work is not up to standard or they would have submitted it?

    I'm waiting guys...
     
  5. Pookeyhead

    Pookeyhead It's big, and it's clever.

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    No one is suggesting you should care. You did the Macrocase for whatever reasons you did it for, and as it's your case, then no one has the right to criticise it. My point is that should it still be there? Should it not be retired from the Bit-Tech site to make room for some other mods that are more worthy? Or are you of the opinion that it's a Macroman mod, therefore deserves to be there on that strength alone?

    Is that how you see Bit-Tech forum members? As sheep? Do our opinions not mean anything? I think you'll find that without forum members, this site would not be what it is, and to respond with such vitriol because someone had the temerity to criticise one of your mods casts you in a less than favourable light.

    I'm well aware of this. I've read every single article on this site.. some of them more than once. As you yourself said, the mod in question is old. What makes you so sure I have no concept of the bit-tech community? Am I not a part of that community? Are you of the opinion that people are only a valid part of this community.. so long as they don't say anything that you don't want to hear? If that's so, then it's not a community... it's a regime... and not a very democratic one.

    I'm sure it did. I'm just curious as to why it's still there. Would you waste space keeping a Pentium III review for instance? I doubt it.

    Like I said.. I'm sure they were cutting edge mods at one time. No one is trying to take that away from you, least of all me. Which is why I am surprised that you are repliying with such anger. Why.. if everytime someone criticised anything I did I replied in such a fashion, I'd just spend my whole life defending myself in online forums.

    Your reply was rude, insulting, and the behaviour of a spoiled child you has just been told he can't have an ice-cream. Whilst I wondered why the hell that particular mod was there, I also did convey a considerable amount of respect for you and your mods. You've just lost that respect I'm afraid. Your mods are still cool.. but YOU have lost my respect. Not that you care. Maybe you are too arrogant to care.


    And I'm sure it did at the time.


    I don't believe that I said they didn't.

    That's a rather petulant response if you don't mind me saying so. I'm quite sure the people responsible for some of the best mods in the forums DO know just how good they are, and are in no doubt about it. Perhaps they HAVEN'T read it, but that's hardly MY problem.

    God forbid that anyone has anything negative to say.. LOL. It seems to me that some people one here don't actually want any feedback unless it's sicophantic fawning. If people can't be bothered submitting their mods for possible inclusion on bit-tech.net it seems silly that you ignore the mods. That's like cutting your nose off to spite your face. To me, it would make no difference if they read the forum rules or not.. I'd drop them a line saying "Nice mod.. mind if we feature it?" Maybe they DON'T think their mods are good enough.. maybe it's got something to do with the attitude that shouts people down as soon as they get ideas "above their station" or some such nonsense. After all... the more cool mods you have linked on your front page, the more this cummunity will appear to be what it is.. the best modding, and hardware community on the web. Is that not what you want? The coolest mods on the web on your site?

    You are keen on emphasising that this is a community. Well.. it seems I am a member of this community, or at least I thought I was. Or maybe you will revoke that membership in a moment of piqué and outrage that I criticised the wisdom of having a totally mundane mod there.. history or not. You have some of the most impressive mods I've ever seen tucked away in the forums. I was also quite surprised that you didn't to a certain extent agree. I look back at my work from 4 or 5 years ago, and think nothing other than how it's improved since. I don't even want it on my website.

    I've re-read that article twice since, and the only thing that suggests it's there for any historical reasons, is the date next to the link. It appears to be there (in my opinion... the opinion of a reader.. the people you seem to disregard as unimportant) as just one of the featured mods. It appears to be what it is... an old mod that has been neglected to be removed to make way for new ones.

    As for not giving a rats ass about what people think, why are you respoinding in such a manner? Expounding noisily about "sheep". I'm just a forum member expressing my views. Maybe it's because you're happiest when we are sheep that gaze on adoringly.. going "ooh" and "aaah".. god forbid we actually say "Hang on a minute... "

    I wonder if your response would have read the same if it was someone else's mod I criticised? Hmmm... As you say: Modding is about showing the new, original and cutting edge. So what is wrong with suggesting that old mods that are non of these things anymore make way for new ones that are?

    Just my opinion... who'd have thought having one of those would be such a problem?
     
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  6. Will

    Will Beware the judderman...

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    With comments referring to the article as 'dead weight', then the statement now that you wonder 'why the hell that particular mod was there', any respect you may have had for Macro wasn't really conveyed in your first post IMHO, which is perhaps why you got the reaction from him that you did.

    Negative opinions are fine :) its just that calling someones article 'dead weight', and then suggesting its only on the site because it was done by a staff member, when as stated it won a competition at the time (I think it may have been macros first article for the site), seems to show a little lack of knowledge with regards to why exactly it (being fairly unadventerous when you compare it to todays projects), is featured on the site.

    Yes its a fairly old article, and you may consider it less impressive than other more recent mods from the staff or people on the forums (as I do, truth be told :)), but at the time it was very impressive, hence winning the competition, hence it being featured in the first place.

    I don't see any problem with it remaining myself, despite its age, its hardly like its still being promoted centre stage on the front page in preference to more ambitious and much more recent projects.
     
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  7. macroman

    macroman The One

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    Pookeyhead - I am sorry if you found my post upsetting it was meant to be terse, not offensive. After all you were starting to repost about the subject which came across as being quite off hand and personal. The fact you choose to misinterpret my use of metaphors is up to you.

    The fact is you asked a question and I answered it.

    Regarding me defending the macro case - not at all. You chose the example and I justified it being on the site. My response would have been the same had it been a case by anyone else, staff or not.

    As to whether or not it should be there, the answer is yes. It is a part of bit-tech history which has, by their own admission, inspired others and is sometimes linked to by modders around the World. Why break the links just because it is old? Should we delete things from history books because they are old? Or clear out museums of ancient relics? No because they are relevant to the way things are now. They are part of evolution. Sure modding has progressed well beyond the macro case and so it should. It would be a sad state of affairs if it hadn't. There is no need to take it down to make way for newer work. This is a website which is the closest to unlimited storage space there is. There is room for everything.

    As for opinions and criticisms being aired on the forums, anyone who knows me will verify that I am one of the biggest advocates for free speech, opinion airing and constructive criticism on these forums. The very fact these posts are here attest to that. should I assume that you object to me airing mine?

    Who do you think puts "guest" mods on the site? ME! and it just so happens that there is a mechanism for projects logs to make it onto the main site. All people have to do is contact me for consideration. I will sometimes approach people when I see something suitable but there are too many logs to scrutinise them all in minute detail continuously. We have a forum full of modders and I have an email address plastered all over the site so what's the problem?

    As far as I am concerned this matter is finished. You asked a question and it has been answered. I see no need to clutter this thread any more.
     
  8. Pookeyhead

    Pookeyhead It's big, and it's clever.

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    In my first post was this: "and before anyone says anything, I'm not having a pop at Macro... as that would be silly - he's done some awesome mods"


    I appreciate that. My whole point was, no matter how relevant it was at the time... is it now? The "dead weight" remark was referring to the relevance of the article, not it's contents. The mod may have been something to win a comp 4 years ago, but is it now? I can find at least 15 mods in the forums that are truly amazing... none of them are on the front page - I just think it's a shame, particularly when 4 year old stuff is still there.


    Me neither.. per se... I just find it odd that remains, when others are not even featured. If I had any choice in the content on here, I'd be trawling the forums, and pulling every single top notch mod off there, and putting on the front page - after all, that's the first port of call for all those who come across Bit-Tech usually. I just think it should be as eye poppingly amazing as possible. If my comments seemed harsh, I meant no offence to anyone, least of all Macroman. I just think it would be a shame if Bit-Tech rested on it's laurels so to speak, and got lax in featuring new mods (not that it is). A little more urgency in seeking new mods to display can only be a good thing. Why wait for people to submit them? Be pro active!

    Macro.. I apologise if my comments were offensive to you or anyone else. That was not my intention. I'm not suggesting you erase history, just be as determined to seek out and publicise new mods as you are celebrating the old. If your webspace is as vast as you say, then all is well.. but Mesa should be featured.. it's a truly wonderful mod.

    ... back on topic.
     
  9. macroman

    macroman The One

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    I think we are all in agreement regarding new material and no offense was taken (or meant). :)

    As for being pro active, well I think you would be (pleasantly) surprised at just how pro active I currently am but these things do take time to organise and edit. Since you obviously have a eye for asthetics judging from some of your excellent photographs why not drop me an email with your suggestions? :cooldude:

    Back on topic...
     
  10. Nigel

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    Hi guys and gals.

    Well it's been a time since I was last regularly here, but I'm back on site now.

    This wodden case is an absolutely stunning bit of work. Well done Piloux! That really took some serious dedication and craftsmanship to put together. A well-deserved "feature" on the site.

    When I saw Eddie's wood and acrylic case article I seriously wondered about the expansion/contraction rates of the two materials when clamped side by side. There is just no way at all that the effect you (so honestly!) demonstrated could be avoided, so your clever solution just goes to highlihgt your inventiveness. Great! (Did you know for example that the secret of a successful dental filling is in making sure the filling and the tooth have the same expansion rates? Not a lot of people know that...)

    Just to add a minor comment about the recent "kerfuffle" concerning what is or is not icluded on Bit-Tech. History books are meant to be kept and read and learned from. My own case is a Lian-Li PC60USB and the minor mods I've done so far have all stemmed from the Macro Case. I'm not new to engineering or model-making, but I *am* new to case modding (well "quality" case modding anyway) so I need my hand holding as I start out. If this site were just full of elitist case mods, unattainable by most of us, then there would be no fresh new talent (like Piloux) rising up and shining through. I even appreciated that first, simplest Rheostat/power molex mod.

    Back on topic again, I loved the use of the aluminium mesh for outside detailing (and disguise!) and the carbon fibre. Like a lot of things it's down to what suppliers you can find - usually in totally unrelated crafts.

    Can anybody offer advice, for example, on "brushing" sheet aluminium. I guess it's either one-directional sanding, or a wire brush...

    Keep up the good work Piloux!
    :D
     
  11. Candle

    Candle The lunatic is in my head

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    Really nice mod, thanks for taking the time to show us how it was done.

    Candle
     
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