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DavenPort lyons Suing me

Discussion in 'Serious' started by matthew223, 9 Jul 2008.

  1. Khensu

    Khensu likes to touch your special places

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    I would think it'd be possible to "have a look" (download) what the torrent contains for "legal proceedings" or something like that?
    I'm not a good source on this as I hate torrents but the few times I've used them I think I could see at least some IPs of people sending me bits in the torrent client; so I figure they'd do the same.
    Ehm, there's also something like torrent trackers, which are used by torrent clients for stuff?

    Someone with more experience of torrenting Linux distros and more legal things can probably explain this a lot better. I open the floor to thee, my brethren who are more inclined to share them distros.
     
  2. Flibblebot

    Flibblebot Smile with me

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    As I understand it, they target torrents that are known to contain games (don't know how, probably just Googling for the game name along with "torrent" on the end?), connect to the tracker and get a list of seeder IPs from that tracker without actually downloading the content of the torrent.

    I don't think that they're sniffing *any* torrent traffic at random, it would have to be targeted (too much P2P traffic on the interwebs)
     
  3. RTT

    RTT #parp

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    This was already covered at length by Gareth and myself way back earlier in the thread :thumb:
     
  4. magicpixel

    magicpixel What's a Dremel?

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    Well the easiest way would be to download the torrent itself and log all ips connecting to your machine and leaching from it.
    There are legal holes in his practice as Smegwarrior pointed out.
    Another way is for companies to hire others to do so for them.
    Yet another would be traffic logging and then requesting logs from ISPs and tracker sites.
    There are "other" ways of tracking individuals travels through the vast world we know as the WWW which would land you in prison faster than you can type "qwerty".

    Unfortunately the web has a knack for louring(sp?) you into a false sense of security while sitting in the safety of your own home.

    :worried:Be smart, be safe!:worried:
    :D

    -edit-
    serves me right for not reading the entire thread.
     
  5. bigc90210

    bigc90210 Teh C

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    tell them it couldnt have been you, as you had encryption switched on! ;)
     
  6. magicpixel

    magicpixel What's a Dremel?

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    LOL
    But thats not the role of torrent encryption or rather header encryption.

    from wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_protocol_encryption
     
  7. RTT

    RTT #parp

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  8. theevilelephant

    theevilelephant Minimodder

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    Its early in the morning so I may not be reading it right but did she upload it or just download it? Interesting all the same.
     
  9. liratheal

    liratheal Sharing is Caring

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    There's a lot to be said for being legit. No paranoia <3
     
  10. Ryu_ookami

    Ryu_ookami I write therefore I suffer.

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    yeah but paranoia is half of the fun. waiting for the creaking footsteps on the stairs, the bang bang bang as the door gets kicked in and the davenport lyons storm troopers burst in firing their plasma rifles and your heart starts pounding as you hide the secret rebel plans in the droids before making sure that the droids escape in a escape pod, just before....hmmm ok I need to go take my medication back soon :)
     
  11. [DE]FreD_S

    [DE]FreD_S Certified Specialist of Awesomeness

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    Any update from the guy who wanted to go see a lawyer about this? Would be quite interesting to see what a lawyer had to say about this.
     
  12. kyy

    kyy Ask Albert J. Dremel!

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    Just sent my letter to them. Couldn't have picked a better day, eh? A poor girl got 16k fine and here I am, denying all accusations :) Still, I didn't do it, so am gonna stand my ground. And I'll go to court if that's what it takes to get your voice heard. Lets get one thing streight, guys - one of us WILL have to go to court and stand up for ALL THE GOOD in the world against that evil evil empire! )) May the force be with you all! I'll update whenever (hopefully never) I get a reply from DL. I just sent them a simple letter, denying all accusations and asking for more information in order to help them catch the REAL offender. Will see.
     
  13. Ryu_ookami

    Ryu_ookami I write therefore I suffer.

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    I can just see you in court giving evidence

    "please place your right hand on these second hand copy of linux and repeat after me I swear by the almighty Relix that the cheesecake i shall give shall be the cheesecake, the whole cheesecake and nothing but the cheesecake so help me Relix."
     
  14. sotu1

    sotu1 Ex-Modder

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    good luck with it all if you're going to stand up for it. Just make sure you've left nothing out and your own track record of net surfing is spotless because it will no doubt crop up. and for the experience, i'd play some Phoenix Wright before hand. Get your OBJECTION! shout ready. :)

    This is some of the finest cheesecake I've had in a while :)
     
  15. kyy

    kyy Ask Albert J. Dremel!

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    Hey, that's a grrrreat idea, guys! We should all pretend to be completely inadequate:

    Judge: "Did you make available the work?"
    Me: "Your honour, I have no idea what type of cheese cake you're talking about. Could you rephrase your question please?"
    Judge: "Defendant, I am asking you if you have breached the copyright!"
    Me: "Look, judge, a cheese cake is a cheese cake. You can call it whatever you want, but all it is - is one tasty cheese cake. Seriously!" :)
     
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  16. ToMMo

    ToMMo What's a Dremel?

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    Did anyone else see the douchebag from Davenport Lyons on the channel 4 news this lunch time? I think Krishnan Guru-Murthy could have given him a bit more of a grilling but the bloke made my blood boil with the dribble he was coming out with. However, he actually admitted that if people out-right denied the claims then they are more than likely to drop the case. Surely that's admitting to only going after more vulnerable people?

    It's bad news for file sharers that's for sure but also the ease that they obtained personal information from ISPs that worries me.

    Just found a URL...
    http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1529573111 It's part 4

    It's not the piece I saw on the TV but it has the same guy in (starting from 1min10)
     
  17. BigD79

    BigD79 Gadding about...

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    Great thread, been following when i can, bit vitriolic in towards the end, but great.

    i've no sound advice to give but, nw104hh, any more news? what have you done since your last post? have you managed to get some free legal council?

    anyways hope you get DL off your case and admit they're wrong. good luck. :thumb:

    edit: oh and matt, the op, what happened??
     
  18. matthew223

    matthew223 What's a Dremel?

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    http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/gadgets_and_gaming/article4569180.ec

    £16,000 how can that be right..

    im getting a little worried now after my first letter i replied to them, with a letter from my employee saying that i was in work at the time, and i got a letter back saying bascially they dont give a 'F' my ip my responsiblity, and i have 14 days to pay or go court that was over 3 weeks ago..im in a pickle i still think if i havnt done anything wrong why should i pay But £16,000 that would cripple me...
    all i can say is arrrrggggghhhhh
     
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  19. DXR_13KE

    DXR_13KE BananaModder

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    be brave and go to court, call their methods inefficient and fake and get a good lawyer.
     
  20. theevilelephant

    theevilelephant Minimodder

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    if you were at work, and you can 100% prove it then that kinda proves that either:
    a) someone else used your connection to do it (brings up the whole my connection my fault? thing)
    b) they got their info wrong
    c) you scheduled it to download, and happened to be at work when it did. (not saying you did just saying they might suggest that)
     

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