So I've been offered a 3008 for a fraction more than I could sell my 3007 for. I was just wondering if it's a worthwhile upgrade, or if there was no real performance increase in the newer model? Cheers
I haven't checked reviews or know them, other than specs wise. But the Dell 3008WFP is better looking, and has a cool glass base plate. It also faster. 8ms response time instead of 12ms (3007). Both are IPS panels, 30inch, same resolution The 3008WFP also has: 2x DVI, VGA, HMDi, Display Port, s-video, component and composite While the 3007WFP has only: 1x DVI port
IIRC, the 3008 has a whole load of extra connections available (HDMI etc.). However, the 3007 has no input lag as the 3008 has some sort of post processing thing (technical term). A friend has the 3008 and it's very suave. 3007WFP-HC specs 3008WFP specs Hmm. The only real difference I can see is the dynamic contrast ratio (3000 vs 1000:1) and a slightly better luminance (though the 3007, as I found out recently with my calibrator, has enough luminance for a typically lit room). So, IMHO, I think that it's probably not worth the hassle. Having said that, I'd wait for the real monitor experts to tell you if the higher dynamic contrast is worth it. And as I was writing this, along comes GoodBytes!
I can't find detail reviews on the 3007WPF, but I HIGHLY doubt that their is no input lag. Even TN panel has a few ms input lag. IPS panel more due to their technology design and color processor (hence why some monitors like some of the current Dell U series (if not all)), have "Game", and "video" mode, which turns off the color processor to reduce input lag. It could be low... I can accept that, but 0... or even near 0.. I highly doubt it. Beside Low with a 12ms response time.... I think we can agree, that at the end of the day, what you will see will be same, if not slower than the 3008WFP model.
Well, you know a shedload more about monitors than me so I'll bow to your wisdom! I remember reading somewhere that the 3008 has more lag, but I'll never be able to find the source again. What do you think about the dynamic contrast ratio (3000 versus 1000:1)? Would a human be able to tell the difference?
i think what Pete is trying to say is that due to the lack of any image processor between the port and the panel, it has minimal processing delay. monitor such as my U2711 have huge processing delay because of its internal processing chip, the 3007 doesn't have anything like this, making it perfect for high-quality gaming. (provide your graphics card can push out that pixels) a rather simple comparison almost exactly same monitor can be found here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hazro_hz27wa.htm notice Wa version (or U2711, which also has same panel) has relatively large lag compared to Wb, which has no image processor.
About the input lag: Ah yes yes yes, I get it now, makes sense. I don't know the figures of the input lag for this monitor, as I see good reviews about the 3008WFP, I doubt it's anything extremely high. Unless you are a hard core FPS player... I highly doubt it will impact you. Heck, I play FPS game just fine with Adobe RGB color profile on my U2410. This is the worst input lag that the monitor provides. And my previous monitor was a CRT monitor. And I doubt it's higher than that (but possible), but I don't see any complains in the few reviews I can find. Ok I kinda lie.. if i look REAAALLY deeply, and up close in my FPS games, I see a small delay.. which is removed in Game mode. But it's totally insignificant. Then again, to be honest.. I don't have pro-gamer 60000000000000000 DPI mouse, and 300 macro keys.. in fact I have 0 of them. (Logitech MX Revolution and Logitech Illuminated keyboard is my setup) so it perhaps explain. Assuming the input lag is 30-40ms (and 40 is pushing here). what is the 3007? My guess, as it's a 30inch IPS, probably 15-25ms. Between 8ms and 12ms, and considering that the 30008 has WAY more feature, looks super nice, and possibly (and should... however they I read exceptions) better color out of the box. I think it's worth it going the 30008, UNLESS you are a hard core FPS player.. then again.. you will get a TN panel instead. for it's speed, and nothing else. Sometime to note.. there is 0 reviews I was satisfy with, for either monitors. They are all, a-la Bit-tech... minimal details, no real test, and you don't know with what they compare. Dynamic contrast Dynamic contrast ratio.. ahh deer old confusing term... It has NOTHING to do with the main effective contrast ratio, which is by standard 1:1000 in today's monitor. Dynamic Contrast ratio is a feature that the monitor has, that WHEN ENABLED (never enabled by default), that the brightness of the screen (LCD back light) is increasing and decreasing illumination, based on a estimated image output. It's done so that explosions pop more, and during dark scenes, you see of the back light bleeding that occurs on IPS (black only - barely visible at brightness level that doesn't make you blind (assuming the up-close viewing)) and TN (all colors) panels. Now the dynamic ratio rating (1:1000000000000000000000) is how much it can go down to the lowest illumination to the max. Few people uses this feature, as it's kinda annoying to always go inside the menu to turn it on or off. My CRT monitor had a cool ON/OFF button for this feature. Interesting that don't have it. Or that there is no link to software (ie: would be cool to have an option in a media player, that when a video is playing, it turns it on). It might be used more often this way. Anyway... for a computer monitor, I don't think it's worth it, as if you use it, you'll use it once.. twice... That's about it. UNLESS you can do it per input, like the U2410 (and should be on the other U series models, and possibly other Dell models that are older or same year), where you can set an input to have that option ON. That is what I do when my Wii is connected. This way.. ON DVI.. I have it off, as I use my computer, same for display port (my laptop), and when I go to component input, I have it turned on. Due to a lack of any deep details on the 3008WFP, I can't find if it's like the U2410 that I have on my desk.
Sorry for the late response. I've been out all day. Cheers for the input guys. I'm going to try to get them both back to back, to do some comparisons. I'll let you know.
You're unlikely to notice 30ms input lag. That's half a frame. Too many people worry about it unnecessarily. Unless you're one of these hard core gamers that still insist on gaming on a CRT at 800x600, you'll be fine with it.
It's two frames at 60fps, but you're right that it's not generally noticeable. The 2408 that I've got has similar input lag (the earliest revision had even more), and even in first person shooters it's not an issue (for someone with only average skills). You'd never notice an extra 15ms of network latency, and you probably won't notice an extra frame of input lag on the monitor either.
indeed, the input lag is hugely exaggerated. i find my 40ms screen perfectly fine in games. keep in mind that there is a difference between panel response time and input processing time. manufacturers only release the former, where latter is ignored by the public unless in monitor reviews. i fully expect cheapo TN panels that quote 2ms panel response time to have over 20ms processing time. problem is that people don't fixate on it, they just thinks lower number displayed on the spec sheet is everything. /rant. i find myself keep having to explain to other non tech savvy people that 6ms IPS is better than 2ms TN.
My mistake. My Eizo has 30ms input lag too, and I don't notice it. If I drag a window so it straddles both my panels and move it up and down, I can JUST barely notice it. The other panel is an old NEC VA panel with no overdrive. It has a horrible response time, but no lag, so it's an easy test for me. A If I can hardly notice it with a direct comparison, you'll definitely not notice it in normal use.