Build Advice Dual socket xeon build

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  1. brave758

    brave758 Minimodder

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    Hey all, I'm thinking about building a dual socket build for my next project. But i have no idea where to start the server side of the world is something i have never looked into, eec and r-eec ram? The numbering system of xeon processor's yep haven't quite worked that out and how they compare to the current i7 range either and what features you get on a server board.

    The build will end up replacing my current home system using it as the parts donor so all i'm looking at is the mobo, ram and CPU's (so I'm really looking for a home dual socket build)

    No price set yet as i'm just doing my homework and trying to learn about this side of the market how it differs.

    Happy with links, points, the works

    Thanks :thumb:
     
  2. rollo

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    depending on xeon you buy you need registerd memory. ( higher models require it )

    i7 is cheaper to spec for

    duel xeon on the newer processors can go above £2k in just motherboard + cpu + ram

    If you want a xeon workstation id be happy to spec one for you if you give me a budget.

    As for i7 spec just view the hardware of the month stuff

    performance dif in multithreaded apps between the 2 setups is huge

    the Xeon processor (quad core) W5590 *2 since you said duel cpu would cost you for example £3000 in processors.
     
  3. confusis

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    Depends if you want latest gen or not. I'm in the process of building an old 603 dual xeon build for folding/file server duties! so far has cost me around US$150 assuming my mobo gets delivered soon
     
  4. brave758

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    Ya i looked at the i7 route and the performance gains realisticly are minimal(q9650 to 920) unless i go for a top end chip. Or are you thinking dual socket i7 (also not thinking OC'd performance either at the mo)
     
  5. Bloody_Pete

    Bloody_Pete Technophile

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    What about that EVGA dual board?
     
  6. brave758

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    Is it out or was it just proof of concept?
     
  7. Mister_Tad

    Mister_Tad Will work for nuts Super Moderator

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    A single 6-core i7 will perform better than a dual-socket system based on the core architecture, eg W5590s, and cost an arm and two legs less

    Multi-socket nehalem based systems on the other hand, are very shiny, and very expensive too.

    Saying that, the performance figures I've seen out of a 4x 8-core nehalem system are, frankly, hilarious. :thumb:
     
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    I'm sure I saw it somewhere, I can't remember where though
     
  9. cdb

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    http://www.evga.com/articles/00537/


    Link?
     
  10. Mister_Tad

    Mister_Tad Will work for nuts Super Moderator

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    I'd be surprised if you find any online, I don't believe the 8-core parts are released yet.

    Do the maths though, 32 cores, 64 threads.
     
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    I didn't think they were out either.
     
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  13. brave758

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    Sorry guys still trying to get my head around these xeon numbers E,W,L,X's. Gainstown westmere? EEC registered and Unbuffered. Its a lot of new stuff to cover also the difference in chipsets.

    Also does the EVGA board support crossfire? yes board supports quad fire
     
  14. Moriquendi

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    Umm the evga board requires Xeons...

    The first question is, what are you going to be using it for? I've got dual 4core Xeons and I don't know of any games that use more than 2 cores, rendering on the other hand uses all of them flat out. If you're interested in gaming go for a single CPU with a higher clock, it'll perform better in the real world.

    The letters L,E and X refer to the TDP of the processor, L is the lowest power at 65w (I think), E is standard at 80w and X is the higher end at 90w with W at the top at 130w, you pay extra for a low power chip of the same speed. Gainstown and Westmere are codenames for different generations of proc, Wikipedia is your friend.

    Moriquendi
     
  15. brave758

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    Yep, doesn't need eec ram either, but man that is one sweet board

    Was just looking into my next project at the moment wanted to try something different, learn about something new. The current i7 line-up isn't flicking my switch at the mo and i was just thinking if i was planning to upgrade which would mean new mobo ram and CPU anyway, for a little extra money I could get something totally different to get my teeth into as the server side is all new to me, boards, chipsets, processors

    Lol Dam still having trouble getting my head around this, also the HPTX form factor now finding out if that will even fit in the case
     
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    Unless you have something that will use a dual proc board you're paying more for less performance. Xeons are clocked slower for the money, server motherboards don't have overclocking facilities and the BIOS is optimised for different usage patterns. It's also not that different, it pluggs together the same way, you still need ram, GPU mobo and CPU. If you've got money to burn buy a GTX480, at least you'll see a benifit from that.

    Moriquendi
     
  18. brave758

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    Lol thats not all a GTX480 will burn, like i said i was just looking into a new project thats why i wanted the feed back from people like you who know. OC'ing aint no biggie either as it's also the computer my wife will be doing all the photography work on and i get it in the neck when it falls over.
     
  19. rollo

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    32 cores 64 threads if there's an app out there benchmark please

    Back on topic

    i930 would do you fine When it's thought through
     
  20. brave758

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    Ok well the EVGA board would be too big as its bigger than XL-ATX or WATX size i couldn't find any reference to HPTX except there site, dam its a monster. the biggest i can fit is EATX with out modding even then i would struggle with the 380mm width
     

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