My cousin has given me his PC because it is overheating and its a Duron 1ghz and Abit KT7A with no case cooling, but he wants it quiet. I was thinking of putting my P3-600 and Aopen AK63 Pro. His HDD is only UDMA66, and his crucial ram would run at 140mhz in the Aopen. Do you think he will notice any difference in games and apps or will it be noticable? His GFX card is Abit Siluro GF2 MX 400 64mb. ta
Im saying would he notice the difference? His overheating problems are causing his pc to crash a lot, rendering games unplayable.
Rather than rip him off, try to help, explain the virtues of adding a fan, it can be discrete like a rear exhaust.
true, well good thinking, I might just put an 80mm Sunon as a rear exhaust and cut the case fan guards off. cheers
only a p3 and a p4 can survive hot temperatures and still run stable, so unless he wants the p3 he will have to put up with some fan noise....
Neither the P3 nor P4 will run stable at high temperatures. In fact, the coppermine P3 had real problems with temperature stability, and the maximum rated temp on the fast coppermines was 65C, compared to 90C for the Athlons. The P4 just slows itself down if it gets too hot. Not desperately clever in fact, because if your cooling system is not very well specced, with the enormous heat output of the P4 at full speed, you are very rarely going to get full performance from your cpu. The P3 will shut itself down if it gets too hot. The machine will crash, but the CPU will not die. I don't understand the problem people seem to have these days. We are not playing with 486s anymore, and modern CPUs generate a LOT of heat, and you NEED a fan or two to keep it to a reasonable temperature. You can not avoid this. If you want silence, don't by a computer. If you want a computer, put up with it!
1) yea, but not as powerful or as many as in an air cooled system. 2) not always, you can mount the RAD externally from the system. .icecube
Are you so naive to believe that the CPU is the only thing in a computer that needs cooling? Northbridge, GPU, hard disks, clock generator, all these things need some air flowing through the case to keep them cool.
who brought money in as an issue here? this is to do with you beiefing you cant have both, computer and quiet. .icecube
Isaac did, and it is a fair point indeed. Not everyone has hundreds of pounds to spend on a waterblock for every last component that generates heat, and water is hardly an ideal or risk-free solution. Granted, there is even a risk with putting a heatsink on, but thats nothing compared to the risk of a leak with a water cooling system. For the average user, putting up with a bit of fan noise is far more agreeable and sensible (not too mention safer and cheaper) than messing around with water and freon cooling, and to suggest otherwise is just untrue. One *can* have a silent system, but not without spending a great deal (and lets face it, money talks), and if the person just gives someone else the PC because it keeps crashing (rather than knowing how to remedy the problem, or why he needs case cooling) then, without wishing to be insulting, they are hardly knowledgable enough to begin to use water cooling or a vapochill to make their system quiet....
listen dood, not to sound nasty, but why are you bumming off issac? you obviously dont watercool, or you would know that if you have common sence, watercooling is not dangerous at all. and, it has nothing todo with cruelinos problem, or money, its todo with the issacs comment. its him that started this into a debate or arguement. i just corrected him, but he cant take it that hes wrong. get some watercooling people and people that have vapochills in here... to back me up. .icecube
As a way to bring this back on topic, Tell your friend that adding a fan in the back can still keep the system as quiet as it once was. I ripped a fan from an old AT PSU(free) and have it as a rear exhaust for my case. It drops my cpu temp 13C, yes 13C! A drop of that much should be enough to stop it from crashing. This fan is in fact quieter than the Black Label on my WBK 38 so You do not hear it. To the two ladies arguing. Water cooling is for the extremes, you dont need it to field a good system, and most of the time a good WC rig is 10X more expensive than an air cooled rig. Some people just prefer Air instead of water, and leave it be at that. If you want to be really picky the best cooling for a cpu/ computer is liquid helium.
cool With just the rear fan running (plus cpu fan!) i get a drop of about 7-8 c and its still very quiet - infact the cpu fan is a lot louder.
