E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

That's just a universal truth. I'd be surprised if you don't see examples of that regularly at your job. Its hardly something that requires a brexit to uncover.

 

The problem is the government is probably going to attempt to please everyone, if the triggering of Article 50 ever does happen we'll probably just end up with a lite Brexit, of course we'll be told it's the first step down a long road but knowing what our politicians are like they'll never take the next step, i can see it now, we'll have all the negatives such as having to pay our now markedly higher membership fees, the lack of sovereignty, uncontrolled immigration, etc, etc.

At the same time we'll be told how they've carried out the will of the people and how they're "talking" about withdrawing further, they'll do what politicians typically do, kick it into the long grass and let someone else deal with it, maybe in 40 years or so.

 

It behoves us to remind ourselves that this universal truth also applies to Brexit.

Absolutely. The electorate does not consist of only 52% Leavers but also 48% Remainers, and that is a huge chunk of votes.

 

It wouldn't be universal if it didn't

 

That's actually a good point raised by Nexo, though: does anyone know expensive a Brexit would be? What about the EEA version? The WTO one? How many billions of pounds? What's the expected ROI on said investment?

Or more succinctly: does/can Brexit make any bloody sense, financially?

Projections I saw for the Netherlands leaving the EU listed an astronomical amount of investment (reverting to the Guilder, disentangling from the Eurozone, EU, etc.), with nary any benefit from this undertaking. Basically meaning a negative ROI, which is why no one sane in the Netherlands is talking about leaving the EU.

For the UK, Brexit - no matter which form it takes - would likely mean losing Northern-Ireland, Scotland and London, or at the very least a significant chunk of the financial sector in the latter. Without London, the UK may as well queue behind Greece for EU and IMF handouts/loans.

The Quitters have been adamant that Brexit will make the UK more rich than it is right now (*snort-giggle*), yet just how they wish to accomplish this without a manufacturing industry and with the services economy wiped out after triggering Article 50 is anyone's guess.

Through the power of make-believe and happy thoughts, I guess?

 

Naah, 's gonna be easy, because the UK has a high-tech high-skilled specialist manufacturing base and workforce like Switzerland, and a competitive work ethic like South Korea.

The Netherlands has a good deal going as the largest seaport of Europe. It's not going to chuck a border in between. Let's see how well Geert Wilders does in the next election (why do those right-wing types always look like circus freaks?)...

 

It was, from what i can tell, never about the money for the people that voted Leave.

TBH I think it was more just a retort to the inescapable truth that it would have a negative economic impact, i get the feeling they only said we'd be better off because they didn't want to concede that point to the other side, if they had it would've opened them up to lengthy questioning on the finer points, basically you don't want the media constantly asking questions about your competitor, you want them talking about you.

 

England has a high-tech high skilled specialist manufacturing base and workforce already, in fact, they have the potential to be in a far better long term position than both Switzerland and South Korea. Problem is that the politicians don't take advantage of what took about a hundred years to create, they don't nurture it, in fact they seem hell bent on killing it.

Come to think of it, this seems to hold true for most industrial western countries.

Ninja edit.
"One" of the killers in England (well the west in general) for businesses is bureaucracy, price of land, rental cost, and staff costs.

 

Not according to the governments own assessment of the labor market (PDF Warning), it's a bit give and take in certain skills (maths, literacy, problem solving) but overall, and with out having analysed all the scores, I'd say we end up being around the middle of most developed countries.

That's more than one reason, that's four.

EDIT: Found this article in the Independent interesting, i would say unbiased but i get the feeling I'd be lambasted if i said that.

 

No, it used to have one. Doesn't mean it couldn't have one again --if the government decided to invest in it.

For instance the UK could abandon "academies" and other pointless reorganisations of secondary education and invest in good technical schools, which would produce a readily employable workforce for public infrastructure works, the investment into which would boost the economy. Then the UK could for instance build its own rolling stock for public transport; its own renewable energy infrastructure, its own information technology and export that to other countries.

That is exactly the attitude that killed Britain's skilled manufacturing base. All that awkward health and safety regulation, quality control, investment in manufacturing infrastructure, expensive skilled staff just all cost too much. Why don't we just buy our tech cheap from India and China?

 

It still has one albeit not as in great numbers anymore, you'll find them in the automotive industry, boat industry, aerospace industry, pharmaceutical industry, and arms industry.

For how long before these are gone remain to be seen.

 

The numbers are greater than ever, it's the proportion of the economy that is not. This is the mistake; to confuse a the proportion of activity with the actual size of the activity Services have simply grown faster in the west in general than industry not that industrial activity has decreased in terms of output.

 

The following should be a laugh.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/mr-brexit-meets-mr-brexit/

 

I'm not sure Farage and Trump should be allowed within touching distance of each other. The combined mass of their idiocy may collapse into a black hole.

 

Maybe it'll be the big reveal that Trump is Farage in a fat suit...

 

Well, we have never actually seen them together in the same room...

 

Maybe a more light hearted look at post Brexit is in order.

One for you there Nexxo.

That one made me smile.

There's another 8 reasons for why Brexit isn't working, according to Brexiteers in the article.

 

The way Trump turned to his right to welcome Farage on stage, only for Farage to appear from his left was pure Morecambe and Wise. The comedy timing was impeccable.

 

Things have gone too far now...
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...vote-pushes-up-price-bacon-china-british-pork

 

So a British export success and a few less heart attack inducing breakfasts domestically is a bad thing?