E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

I wanted to make sure i understood democratic accountability so i done a quick Google and the first result says "Democratic accountability refers to the many ways in which citizens, political parties, parliaments and other democratic actors can provide feedback to, reward or sanction officials in charge of setting and enacting public policy."

So unless I'm being really stupid i fail to see how removing one of those ways to provide feedback to, reward or sanction gives more democratic accountability, it seems those that sowed the wind are trying to blame the whirlwind on something, anything, else.

 

You can't reward or provide feedback to MEPs other than your own.

 

Whoa now, don't you go confusing things with your facts and your logic and thinking. We've had enough of thinking...

 

They're the ones that matter though.

I simply can't buy into the Brexit narrative that Germany, by dint of being the largest economy in the EU, essentially controls everything while the UK, being the second largest economy in the EU, is a totally powerless and helpless victim to the whims of even the smallest, weakest member states.

 

That's still more than rewarding or providing feedback to no MEPs and more than only rewarding or providing feedback to a single MP who represents your constituency among the other 649.

 

Unless of course, your MPs have tight affiliations with terrorist groups who shape a landscape of fear to ensure their allies stay in power, raping the system, while having zero legal accountability.

For example, you may have read the news recently that the Orange Order have ended their 3 years protest. What wasn't said, because there's a court injunction against saying it, is that they were payed around £50m of your British tax contributions to leave - The rationale? It's cheaper than the cost of policing, even though it was entirely architected by the government and their "affiliates".

 

You can't have a union without compromise. A lot of compromise was made for Britain but that wasn't enough. Britain wants it all (free market access and no immigrants). If it only wants other countries to compromise it's not really suited to staying in the union.

All your MPs are decided upon by British people as opposed to French German whatever MEPs. It all fits with the sort of Nationalism that drove Brexit.

 

You can't sneer at brexiters apparently, otherwise Mummy May will come down on you like a ton of bricks

 

Oh no those poor politicians, did the money they stole through phony expenses already run out?

 

The view in Washington according to Bloomberg:

Moreover I've read --and heard on Radio 4-- several people saying that international (e.g. India and Australia) job applicants for high skilled company positions have withdrawn their applications to British companies. They were counting on being able to move freely around the EU for their career and that is now not possible if they take a UK job. They are either staying at home or looking at positions in mainland Europe. Particularly in India there is unease about the Conservatives' anti-immigration rhetoric and applicants are already withdrawing applications and considering Australia, New Zealand, the US and Canada instead.

 

But you don't understand nexxo, David Davies said they'd be beating our [nice, new, immigrant-proof] door down in order to trade with us... and if he said it, it must be true...

 

Whoop, There's another insult.
Wow, All 17 million of them.
With your thinking, I guess it's safe for me say most remainers are a bunch of self-important, cowardly, self-loathing narcissits who hate the thought of sovereignty and are completely incapable of acting outside of group-think?

Abuse at foreigners isn't exactly unique to the people who voted to leave the EU (hint Labour), And it certainly didn't start when we did vote to leave, as inconvenient that truth may be to you.
The rise in that behavior (if there is an actual rise) would be attributed to the EU rules that allowed so many migrants in in the first place, Or the failure of past governments to make sure we had the infrastucture to cope with it, Blair and co were probably spending too much time hand wringing over"rubbing the rights nose in diversity", Or is that too close to denting the armour of the "infallible" EU too.

Ther are causes and sometimes you have to accept and deal with the effects.

 

Hey, I've been listening for the last six months to how EU immigrants like me are the spawn of Satan. The Conservative conference just labelled us as someone who companies should feel ashamed about employing, and that as soon as enough British doctors have been trained, immigrant doctors are surplus to requirement. Oh, and we're a "negotiation card".

While you're having your "Waah, waah, someone is being nasty to me on the forums!" moment, the government has been publicly saying how people like me are undesirables, bargaining chips and --in my case after 24 years-- quite possibly have to leave the country. But this seems typical of the sheer egocentric narcissism of Leave voters: a total disregard for how your vague, selfish, over-entitled wish for the world to treat you as a special little flower affects other people's lives in fundamental and devastating ways. So suck it up, kiddo. From where I'm sitting you aren't quite as entitled to that righteous indignation as you think you are.

But what you should really worry about is not what I think of the Leavers, but what the rest of the world thinks. Investors are backing away. The Pound is now forecast to hit parity with the Euro and £1.10 with the $ three months earlier than thought. That means everything will be more expensive: not just fuel and food, but also NHS treatment (a sizeable chuck of its medical supplies come from the US and Europe).

Yes, there is an actual rise. But sure, it's our fault: our bad for providing much-needed skills for your economy and your NHS that was struggling to find qualified Brits to do it. The inconvenient truth: we came here because there were jobs for us. You needed us. You still do: the UK has the lowest level of unemployment in over a decade. So who are these Brits whose jobs we're presumably taking? Who are these Brits struggling to find employment?

And don't get me started on that BS about "infrastructure". The UK population consists of 4% EU immigrants but we form only 2% of NHS patients; we are half as likely to use its services (but we form over 10% of NHS clinical staff. You're welcome). Over the last 6 years government cut the NHS budget by 20% however, that is why it is struggling. Immigrant children perform better in school than the local kids; we actually raise the standard. The government cut the education budget by 15% however; that's why schools are overcrowded. Housing? Ask the Tories about their decades-old policy of eliminating council housing. The problems you have in this country are the result of decades of governmental misrule. Nothing to do with us; we're actually helping you out. We are building your houses. We are treating your sick. We are teaching your kids. We are even picking your fruit and vegetables. Because there's not enough of you willing or able to do it.

 

That's absolute utter ********. Northern Ireland is by far the least cosmopolitan region in the UK (98.28% white) yet it's also by far the most hostile towards foreigners. Want me to look up the pictures of graffiti, smashed windows, or kids throwing brick at Romanians?

Perhaps it's escaped your attention that you're on the side of, and using the same logic as, the UVF, UDA, Combat 18, Blood & Honour, National Front, etc...?

https://www.facebook.com/LoyalistDe...7355139370758/943158209123780/?type=3&theater

 

That is some tongue twisters. That's simply silly. Sane people don't go for chest-thumping Trump-esque populist pap like you just indulged there. Did the pound plummeted in value since the referendum, did it plummet even further since May's speech - can we agree on that it did which a lot of brexiters can't bring themselves to see that is not good news and bode badly for triggering of Article 50. The level of denial is outstanding.

 

Did the government ever give brexiters a chance to know what they where voting for?

No.

They made a wide range of promises that directly conflicted with each other and left a lot of important things up in the air (like for example if immigrants already here can stay or not).
So a lot of it was to do with rejecting total uncertainty.

Hate sovereignty? Unless you are a 50+ white male millionaire in London the UK government is no closer to you than Brussels, or a speck of dirt on Jupiter.

 

Yup, how about this for sovereignty: an unelected Prime Minister is voiding the 2015 manifesto on which the Conservatives were elected, taking the country in an entirely different direction in terms of education, business, finance and law, and singlehandedly deciding not only when to trigger Article 50 but also what Brexit should look like. Parliament will not be involved in, or informed of the negotiation objectives or process. If there are objectives and a plan --the electorate still doesn't know.

Here's me thinking that the UK is a representative democracy with a sovereign parliament. Turns out it's more akin to a dictatorship.

 

Most certainly there has been a rise and i would hazard a guess it has very little to do with the rise in migrants seeing as some areas with the highest percentage of leave voters had the lowest percentage of migration and vice versa, effectively the vote was driven by the fear of migration not migration itself.

The rise in xenophobic feelings are entirely down to the media and politicians giving succor to the likes of Mr Farage and others who wanted to use that fear to further their own narrow minded goals, basically the media and politicians have fanned the xenophobic flames and people have been happy to be lead by the nose.

The public were told a bogey man was coming to get them and they bought into it.

 

LOL at all the articles in the (pro-Brexit) Telegraph that now complain in worry and outrage that nobody voted for a hard Brexit and that sovereignty of parliament is being side-lined.

Too late, suckers!

 

As I said earlier: