E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

Would be rather strange if any significant part of the population regardless of leave or remain would want to be worse off.

 

@Nexxo, Apologies i was trying to point out that there's a world of difference between what people are willing to be worse off by and what they will be worse of by, no one wants to be worse off and the only group that's not going to be, because of the triple lock on pensions, are those that voted overwhelmingly to leave, it's probably why the economic argument never really had much effect.

 

Exactly. If losing nothing is an option why would you not select it even if it is hypothetical.

 

It's not about what they want; the question asks what they would accept. Brexit was sold as a "Have your cake and eat it" option, but such option does not exist. Brexit will cost. Pity that nobody drew a connection between Brexit and the economy-- oh, wait, they did. But people had enough of experts.

True. It has been argued that this group was also swayed by the "more money for the NHS" promise... But there have already been remarks saying that post-Brexit, the triple lock on pensions will be unsustainable and as for the NHS, well...

 

It would be a brave move if they did get rid of the triple lock as if my understanding is correct that age group is more likely to vote and more likely to vote conservative when they do, at least that's generally what I've heard people on TV say.

 

It's a bad question. People don't have to accept anything. If Brexit costs them something it is very much irrelevant whether they are willing to accept that cost or not because they will be lumbered with it anyway.

Perhaps a better form is asking how much they believe brexit will cost them.

 

Ah, would it be that simple! There are many, many different forms of Brexit, each with a different level of cost and compromise. So what kind of Brexit do people want?

Of course it is academic because in the end the government (or more precisely the EU-27) decides, but it does reveal how naïve most people were in their expectations. It also shows how Theresa May is up against it when she promised to "make a success of it".

 

It can't reveal anything because it is a flawed question. Accepting or rejecting a situation outside of your control doesn't change that situation. When a cost is outside of your control asking how much of it you are willing to pay when in reality you have no choice, is a pointless question. You have to pay what you have to pay and that is it. In the face of such a pointless question the most sensible answer is to accept zero cost.

Regardless of a hard brexit or a floppy brexit, asking them what they believe it will cost them personally would be greater indicator of their naivety. It is also a more objective question as it forces them to make a prediction based on their interpretation of what brexit will be (even though no one actually knows right now).

 

With the number of pensioners increasing due to people living longer there won't be a choice other than removing it.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.DPND.OL?locations=GB

 

This should come as a wake-up call for all those people saying we should just pack our bags and go cap in hand to the WTO.

 

New president of argentina has taken a softer line with the UK and relations have already improved greatly since September especially since his predecessor could well be investigated for fraud whilst in office.

 

I wouldn't read too much into that. If there is a shift in balance of power, you may see attitudes change accordingly.

 

such is the whim of politics - argentina need money and since oil was found near the falklands, and change in leadership , which doesn't spout as much rhetoric on the international stage , it could work for them.

 

By posting that link i wasn't implying we'd be giving them Gibraltar or the Falklands, apologies if that's how it came across, it was more just to highlight how a simple copy&paste of the EU schedule may not be accepted by all members of the WTO, that countries may use those territorial disputes as a stick to beat us with so we give them a better deal on the things we trade with them.

Such as Argentina demanding 0% tariffs and quotes on the food stuffs they export to us and Spain asking for the same with transportation stuff.

 

ofc you can have 0% - so long as you drop your claim to the falklands....

 

Sort of, i defiantly wouldn't fancy being in the soybean meal market right now as it seems they could be about to be thrown to the wolves.

 

And while Brexiteers are being most annoyed at the Supreme Court case subverting the democratic will of the people, the government merrily continues selling Britain off to foreign companies. The same one which also owns Heathrow and Thames Water, btw.

Taking back control yet? You ain't seen nothing yet.

 

erm - the national grid went private in 1995

please stop scare mongering .

 

Did it go into majority ownership by foreign companies?

I'm sure that there was this narrative amongst Brexiteers about Britain being less beholden to foreign powers and interests. I'm also sure that Theresa May promised to scrutinise any proposed takeovers of such strategic assets as water, energy and transport.

But, you know, just stick your fingers in your ears and dismiss it as "scaremongering".

 

In Northern Ireland the infrastructure for the electricity network was sold off to the Republic around half a decade ago.
Last time I checked electricity still existed here, so not necessarily the end of the world.