E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

In all honesty i'd probably have nuked this thing from orbit ages ago.

It's at least 100 pages of:



It's stopped being about any meaningful discussion [if it ever actually was] and is now just about the argument.

 

I think we're about to find that Brexit be like:

Apparently not quite.

And LOL at:

As if the poor will now suddenly have a say in where the UK goes next.

 

There is currently just no real news about it to discuss as we are in the gap between the Supreme Court ruling and the triggering of Article 50.

But as a topic overall? Years to go.

 

Well, there's the bill having to pass through the House of Lords, who may vote in their own amendments, and the latest update that legal experts (yeah, those again) have just advised government that parliament must pass a second Brexit act once negotiations are complete, to make Brexit happen.

This would suggest that if parliament is not happy with the negotiated deal, they can call Brexit off, which means Article 50 can be revoked. Which will make for some interesting viewing if the Brexit deal the government managed to negotiate turns out to be spectacularly poor.

 

I hadn't actually seen George's response, only Stuarts comment, which was more than enough for me. If you can't keep your cool then simply don't post in that thread.

 

It's either about stalling or not stalling, this gives them an out as well I guess.

 

It's a reflection of the fact that you don't just nix 40+ years of cumulative international treaties that are firmly entangled with the law and economy of a nation without having to go through due process. Something that the Brexiteers had 20 years to figure out but somehow couldn't be bothered to.

I think that this reflects their thinking process on the whole issue. All unicorns, no reality.

 

Do we know if the EU has decided yet if article 50 can be revoked once triggered, i know there was some talk (wasn't the EU courts going to decide) about it within the EU but I've not heard anything since.

 

Well obviously the result of whatever May negotiates with the EU must get parliamentary approval.
That is just the most basic level of common sense.

Problem is what happens if parliament rejects the negotiated agreement?

Extending the 2 year dead line to give May time to try again would require unanimous agreement from the EU member states.
Even if that happened the General Election would get in the way.
Any attempt to reverse the triggering of Article 50 would most likely end up at the ECJ and the current political landscape in the UK rules out asking the ECJ for anything.

So the bitter reality is that parliament will be held hostage and have to say yes no matter what she negotiates, because the only alternative would then be to leave without any agreement at all.

 

If Article 50 can be revoked (and the author says it can), then parliament could back out of Brexit if the negotiated deal is perceived to be disastrous. Especially if public opinion has swayed the other way, which it has started to already (if only because the older Leave voters are dying).

I think that the EU-27 would also be happy to welcome the UK back into the fold. Whether the UK crashes into disaster or pedals back, it would prove either way the EU's point about leaving being a bad idea.

The UK economy is just starting to hit the Brexit slowdown, so the next months will tell.

 

Credit due, certainly has a damn good go at dictating the present, Assumes he knows the future based on the information he can aquire in the present, but has complete ignorance towards the past.


The Roman Empire had the same perspective and look where they ended up.
People seem to forget the political EU is on a single track to fail (long before Brexit), like Rome, in ignorance, big time.
It will be up to the Nation states to solve EU failings and repair the damage, Likewise, uphold the things it got right.
But here it seems easier to just keep harbringing the doom of Brexit with all the assumptions, While Rome burns realtime.

I have never seen such pessimism, Everytime I pop back on here it's the same old internet-link **** throwing fest of negativity and left wing bullying.
We are leaving a failing empire, The kid next door has picked up the discarded rattle and is going to have more fun playing with it than the previous owner did. Legally. Get over It.

 

Personally I'm more interested in what the EU says on the revocation, if they say it can't that makes all the discussion over a vote in the UK parliament on the final deal rather mute.

Isn't that a bit contradictory? You say someone assumes he knows the future based on the information he can aquire in the present and then you make an assumption yourself, i guess based on information you acquired in the present, that you know what the future holds in store for the EU.

 

Some people here sure seem to get worked up about my opinion, considering that according to them I don't know what I'm talking about.

If Brexit is going to be such an awesome success, why are the Brexiteers not just getting on with it? Why the delay in triggering Article 50? Why all the outrage at Remainers? Why are they still campaigning? Oh yeah, to distract people from the fact that they don't actually have a plan and don't know what the **** they're doing.

But, you know, points for mentioning the cliché of the Roman Empire.

 

Tbf I'd say there was more similarities between Britain and the Roman Empire rather than the Eu.

Brexit is just accelerating the decline of countries who's empire collapsed and went bankrupt, other countries are just picking the meat of the bones atm.

 

That is the problem, Article 50 is an EU rule after all so we get no say in it (we had that chance when it was being written and didn't take it) and can you really imagine May asking the EU to allow the reversal of it in the run up to the 2020 General Election?
I can't.

 

I've been wondering who's lining Tony B.Liar's pockets right now.

Any faith I might have had in that man was fired into the stratosphere with the Afghanistan/Iraq nonsense (Not that there was much to begin with), and has made me very suspicious of his motives. Even if he is speaking for 'my side' as it were.

I'm pretty sure, if we trigger A50, and then two years later say 'actually nevermind', the EU might (rightly) tell us to sling our hooks anyway.

 

For me the smoking gun is the fact that every single politician that supported leave during the referendum campaign has resigned or shuffled sideways while blowing raspberries while refusing to admit to their promises.
Where the f*** is Farage?

 

Farage is in hiding from the German authorities.

 

He's doing what he does best. Being a piece of ****.

Hopefully floating face down in the same cess pit trump is inhabiting.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39016179

might be interesting....