E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

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  1. Gareth Halfacree

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    No, you can't. Apparently: as far as one knows or can see. Actually: as the truth or facts of the situation. Very, very different words, there - and I should know, 'cos words are sort of my thing.

    Example:
    "Apparently, Steve's off sick today." That suggests that Steve's sickness has not been confirmed, and depending on tone may even suggest disbelief in said sickness on the part of the speaker.
    "Actually, Steve's off sick today." That makes Steve's sickness a cast-iron fact. You may even note: fact and actually, there.

    You don't say, 'cos you've clearly missed the fact that's a summary of multiple studies. Here's a few choice quotes for you: 'The use of multi-year data and incorporation of reference corn into field trials [...]', 'field trials conducted in the United States over four years', 'results generated from nine field sites over a period of two years [...]' (emphasis mine.)

    And a question to answer: what did you eat for breakfast?
     
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    if the two year study was so badly conducted it would actually apparently suit Monsanto rather well, easy to dismiss, apparently actually even retracted.

    Both, actually. You can switch them around.

    As I said, I have't read it all.
     
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    Then might I suggest you do so, preferably after posting a quick message explaining what you had for breakfast?
     
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    And what would that question answer? That I'm not able to escape everything, or that all food that I eat is GMO?
     
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    A question doesn't answer anything; an answer answers a question. The question is "what did you have for breakfast," and for some reason you're unwilling to answer. As to why you're unwilling to answer, I have no idea - you tell me, right after you tell me what you had for breakfast. Or lunch, I guess, now you've continued dodging the question well past midday.
     
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    I'm more interested in your obsession with what I had for breakfast, which now appears to have moved onto what I had for lunch.
     
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    I'm not obsessed with what you had for breakfast. I'm possibly slightly obsessed with the fact that you keep dodging the question, though as I believe it brings your reliability, authority, moral position, and believably into question in a way very relevant to the current-completely-off-topic-nature of what was once a political affairs thread I'd say it's more dogged persistence than obsession.

    Now, what was it you had for breakfast, hmm?
     
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    Dogged persistence is an understatement! :)

     
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    GMO is nothing more than evolution someone made happen deliberately and since molecules don't care about the why the resulting product is the same regardless of it happening due to natural evolution or GMO, so on a technical level yes, everything is GMO.

    Of course just like with natural evolution not all of it will be good and not all of it will be bad and the test of time will filter out the failures.
     
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    I love you for compiling all those. Even though it makes me look just a liiiiiiitle bit unhinged.
     
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    So it is more of a spiritual question? Whether I eat fellow creations or not? If I support the meat industry, the industrialization of it? Animal farming, all that stuff. Or if I'm more about buying from the local butcher, perhaps? Or, if I'm a vegetarian altogether.

    I will let you keep obsessing, Gareth. Let's just say that it is a moral struggle at times.
     
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    :hehe:

    That wasn't the intention :). Though when you're discussing GMO and "what's natural" it's a perfectly valid question.
     
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    None of the above: it's literally just a question about what you ate for your last meal, simply answered by stating what you ate for your last meal. Like I did, way back when I told you I had tropical fruit granola and a glass of water. Lunch, if you'd care to know, was a pasta-and-tuna snack pot and more water.

    Now, what was it you had for breakfast and/or lunch today?
     
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    Nature is a balance between replication and mutation. Both need to be at work for natural selection to occur. And there is really no prescribed speed at which evolution should occur --it can be very slow, or very fast, depending on natural selective forces exerted on it.

    Again, as someone who used to have pet rats I can assure you that their metabolism is surprisingly different from that of humans and hence that they have different tastes.
     
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    It's that balance and it could happen quickly just as you say, as much as I like sharks I prefer dolphins and turtles, also less stressful to be in the water with.

    If they really wanted to get good results when testing these things to find out the effect on humans they would be using primates, not rats. But this raises moral issues. I would argue it still raises these issues.
     
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    Interesting. Now, what did you have for breakfast?
     
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    If you buy British milk it's gmo, in fact we have some new cows created in a lab coming tomorrow to be put into surrogates.

    I would also like to know what you had for breakfast.

    Perhaps you would be better discussing some of the actual issues with genetic modification.
     
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    I'll join in. I had porridge with cinnamon and maple syrup for breakfast, with a mug of strong dark roast coffee (fresh ground).

    For lunch I had a home-made sandwich with smoked salmon, red onion, rocket, and a sprinkling of black pepper on a bit of mayo.
     
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    Y'see, I'd love to start the day with a bowl of warm porridge, but I can only eat the stuff with masses of sugar in it. It's a shame, 'cos it proper fills you up to lunch.
     
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39232136

    Rumour mill is saying Poland will be the next to leave the EU
     
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