E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

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  1. Nexxo

    Nexxo Bargaining chip

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    Meanwhile Peter North from the Leave Alliance extols his Brexit vision. Sunny uplands, everyone-- oh, wait...

    Not that the Leave Alliance as a whole feels any better about it. Still, Brexit means Brexit...
     
  2. Archtronics

    Archtronics Well-Known Member

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    Oh well, on the plus side it seems the German course I've been doing will pay dividends. :clap:
     
  3. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

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    TLDR version: We're right royally screwed but it ain't our fault as we didn't spot the glowing "incompetent nincompoop" neon signs above our MP's heads. :p
     
  4. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    they were blinded by the similar signs above their own heads...
     
  5. Nexxo

    Nexxo Bargaining chip

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    Or in pictorial terms:

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    :p
     
  6. Archtronics

    Archtronics Well-Known Member

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    On a serious note someone important at Tory Hq must know this is going to ruin there chance at government for decades. I can’t belive they won’t have a plan to get rid of the current leadership as sacrificial lambs and force a GE.

    Even if they then loose that election to labour completely, the damage to there reputation will be far less than being the party that destroyed the UK.
     
  7. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    The Tories know, deep down, even if this goes tits up, they'll probably be returned to power in the near future... IIRC, the typical lifespan of a post-war govt is 9 years [7.5 years for Labout govts, 10.5 for Tory govts, less if you dismiss Blair and Thatcher as outliers].
     
  8. Nexxo

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    I think they're still in denial. There are some hard core Brexiteers who actually believe that the UK will be just fine in the WTO because hey, other countries are. A bit like a lion evolved to live on the African plains will surely be alright living in the sea because sharks seem to manage just fine.

    The rest still seems to buy into the narrative that negotiations in the EU bureaucracy always seem to reach an impasse and then on the last day, at 3.00am in the morning some sketchy, pragmatic agreement is clinched and crisis averted. But I think that this time that will not happen, and that Brexit will smack head-first into the cold, hard wall of reality.
     
  9. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    Again more like some PETA types releasing a load of animals shouting FREEEEEDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!! The fact they're totally unable to survive in the wild and are all dead a week later, irrelevant, they wanted to free the animals.


    If Britain is the caged lion, it'll be the one that ends up eating the bright spark trying to free it...
     
  10. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

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    I guess you're assuming people will blame them instead of whomever the Conservatives choose to blame, if you tell a lie often enough people start to believe it.
     
  11. Byron C

    Byron C Game's over losers, I have all the money!

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    You're almost there with your analogy... Except PETA tends to slaughter the animals they "rescue" and have a track record of abducting and killing household pets (and I don't mean weird exotic pets like the North Vietnamese Howling Pygmy Monkey (that's not a real thing btw...), I mean regular ol' domestic cats and dogs).
     
  12. RedFlames

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    I was thinking anti-vivisectionist more than PETA to be fair... i used PETA as they're a more recognisable group for most.
     
  13. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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  14. Nexxo

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    That's the good outcome, that is. The bad outcome is when a non-native species, like zander, grey squirrels, or mink, survives a little too well and starts killing off the native species.

    Just ask Australia.
     
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  16. Nexxo

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    Isn't that what they say EU immigrants are doing to the natives?... :worried:
     
  17. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

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    Only slightly? I think it says something when 64% say the government is mishandling the Brexit negotiations but there's only a 5% difference between those who think leaving was a right or wrong decision.
     
  18. Kronos

    Kronos Another grumpy old git.

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    The British political elite, particularly the Tory party have made the UK a laughing stock with their patently obvious inability to handle major issues in particular Brexit.
    I doubt the Labour party would have done any better.
    God help us all.
     
  19. Nexxo

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    God won't help us; God hates idiots who don't use the brains that He gave them.

    People tend to rationalise their decisions and resist changing them after the fact (the human brain strives for consistency over accuracy*) --just see Peter North's piece: "Brexit will be bad, bad, bad --but I still believe I made the right decision, it's just them that are screwing it up!". Men tend to do this more than women, and it is interesting to see that it is amongst women where there is a biggest swing towards Remaining.

    * This is because our senses are basically inaccurate, and our processing powers limited. We often have big gaping holes in our perception, interpretation and memory which our brain fills in with what --based on previous knowledge and experience-- it expects should be there. If we had to live with the holes, and keep updating our heuristic models of How the World Works every time they are challenged by experience, we'd live in a constant state of uncertainty and chaos.
     
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  20. cjmUK

    cjmUK Old git.

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    Bear with me on this one...

    ...but focusing on the bumbling Tories supposedly trying to deliver a Utopian Brexit is rather missing the point. When (not if) Brexit is a complete cluster****, it will not be because Davis/Fox/Johnson didn't get the right deal or because May could not control them. It will be because the majority of the country ignored the most informed people/organisations we had, and instead listened to their own baser instincts, and voted for something that could never be successful.

    To blame these (worst of) Tories means that we think that if Labour were in charge, things would be any better. Whilst there was an outside possibility the current Labour leadership would go against their own beliefs and resist the referendum result, I don't think that would have happened. Instead, we would have had a different bunch of clueless politicians fighting an unwinnable battle with the EU.

    I think most would now agree that the vote for Brexit was a mistake, but voting for it on the understanding that Davis/Johnson/Fox (or their Old Labour counterparts) would be left to implement it was criminally reckless.

    We collectively voted for Brexit and now we will reap what we have sown.
     

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