E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

Farage can piss off back to America... I'm sure the GOP can find him another suspected child molester to defend.

 

Talk of a 'Dream Team' to replace May if she doesn't go hardline, in The Times:

Boris as PM
Gove as Deputy PM
JRM as Chancellor

Absolute nightmare. Currently considering which country to move to, I don't recognise my own.

 

From what i saw they didn't try to hit him, he just got caught up in the middle.

It seems some bloke decided to get physical with the so called "antifa" idiots and it resulted in a bit of pushing and shoving as others made an effort to keep them apart, JRM was caught in the middle and was one of the people who attempted to separate them.

When the news covered it they didn't provide much in the way of context as the full exchange paints a rather different story IMO, viewer discretion advised as there is some swearing.

 

I say: let them go for it. It will result in a solid Labour victory by 2022.

Boris and Gove will be fighting like two cats in a sack within months. JRM will give new meaning to the notion of a Chancellor undermining the PM. And Osborne will seem like the most soft-hearted, generous bleeding-heart socialist in comparison to JRM's approach to welfare.

Bring it on.

 

Trouble is then we have to suffer yet another internal Tory squabble.

 

Hey, they have to be strong and stable at something.

 

Ha yeah. One thing you can rely on life is the Tories having internal fights.

 

So... Gerry Adams has endorsed Corbyn...

...not sure that'll help his chances tbh.


EDIT: Boris, Rees-Mogg and Gove as a 'Dream Team'?

That must be some substance-induced fever dream...


EDIT 2:

Former head of the civil service Gus O'Donnell summed up Brexiteer attacks on the civil service thus: 'If you're trying to sell snake oil, of course you don't want experts examining what you're selling'

 

Typically they keep their internal fights out of the public gaze unlike Labour, where that's always broken down is on Europe, IIRC Conservatives fighting over Europe has ended the career of three of their leaders and is likely to claim Mrs May's scalp at sometime to come.

Normally when the Conservatives allowed their infighting over Europe to spill into public life it would put off the electorate and lead to them losing power at the next election, this time around it seems that didn't happen and the electorate is lapping it up.

It's a shame really as i dare say most Conservatives know leaving the EU is going to end badly and isn't in the countries best interest but they're being held hostage by a select few eurosceptics within their own party, if they wanted to act in the countries best interest they would've allowed the 30-40 hardcore eurosceptic MPs within their own party to defect to UKIP but they decided to put the party before the country, and continue to do so, IMO.

 

Sure, because when you put a sociopath, a zealot and a narcissist together in a team, what could possibly go wrong?

 

...and then you have the other two.

 

Meanwhile Rudd is still promoting the "have cake and eat it" approach:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...strategy-amber-rudd-theresa-may-customs-union

 

To quote Steven Fry - 'As a Conserative PM, the opposition benches are not your enemy. You know full well your enemies are behind you.'

 

Yeah, all those years in public school reading Julius Caesar, they thought it was a model for government.

 

Nah, we did that in Prep School mate..

 

True I suppose. Would have moved on to Caligula and Claudius by secondary.

 

So it looks like Mrs May has caved into pressure from the eurosceptics within her party, i guess because she was worried about being ousted by "the dream team".

In her Lancaster house speech she said "But I do want us to have a customs agreement with the EU" and now apparently "It is not our policy to be in the customs union. It is not our policy to be in a customs union."

So we want a customs agreement but don't want to be in the customs union and we want an agreement but not a union, colour me confused.

 

Like I say, the UK may play on the fact that the EU said themselves that the UK can't be treated like any other country when it comes to trade as we're too big and too close.

That was in relation to talk of potential future sanctions against us if the UK went down the route of slashing taxes.

 

I think that the UK government is just desperately trying to find ways to limit the economic damage while meeting the popular view of the referendum mandate, and getting increasingly tied up in knots.

Buckle up. Brexit is going to hurt.

 

Sadly though i get the impression that the not being treated like other countries thing is, from the EU's perspective, a negative assessment. Trade blocks are, after all, protectionist instruments intended to safeguard peoples jobs and their ability to earn a living in the face of cheaper imports.

I think the government is using semantics to cover for their almost farcical lack of knowledge on the subject at hand, you only have to look at that exchange with Nadine Dorries about the customs union to see the lack of basic knowledge, IMO their trying to debate with people who are infinitely more knowledgeable than themselves and using a plethora of logical fallacies to cover for their own stupidity.

It's laid bare in the governments statement about wanting a customs agreement but not a customs union.