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E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

Discussion in 'Serious' started by TheBlackSwordsMan, 22 Feb 2016.

  1. Nexxo

    Nexxo Bargaining chip

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    And the North East and the Midlands, where most of the Leave voters are, will be most adversely affected. Karma, she's a bitch.

    I am now pretty convinced that in the next three months one of two things will happen:
    1. The UK will crash out without a deal.
    2. The UK government will fall.
     
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  2. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    Until Nissan announce they're upping and ****ing off, I don't think any of the locals will take any notice.

    The North east will get ****ed over either way, as in the EU or not, neither major party cares about the region...

    Tories think 'The North' ends at Leeds [see 'Northern Powerhouse'], that and/or we're 'Desolate areas perfect for fracking'.

    to Labour it's just a bunch of safe seats that will vote for them whatever happens.
     
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  3. Nexxo

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    I think Nissan ****ing off will be pretty likely, actually.
     
  4. RedFlames

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    As do I, but it's all 'Project Fear from the Remoaners' until they [Renault Nissan] actually come out and say 'we're closing/scaling back our Washington plant'.
     
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    I'd say that will depend on what is in the secret agreement between the UK government and Nissan, of course the cost to keep them here could very well be high, not even to mention the precedent it sets for other companies to demand the same handouts which will of course be funded by taxing us...
     
  6. RedFlames

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    There is that, but if you were Renault Nissan, would you trust HMG to honour any agreement? Especially given their current form.

    For all we know the agreement could be 'hold off on announcing the closure'.
     
  7. Nexxo

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    When their cost of living goes up 20% they will notice... But as you say, they get ****ed either way and learned helplessness has already kicked in. They'll just take it.
     
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    They'll mutter something about Thatcher and go back to whatever they were doing.
     
  9. adidan

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    It did surprise me the North and Wales voted to leave considering how much money was pumped in via the EU to those regions, money the UK government wouldn't put in.

    That said we have to be realistic, all areas of England, all of them except London, saw over 50% vote leave. From the BBC:

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  10. Nexxo

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    Yup, and they're all going to hurt.

    Most people in the North and Wales either didn't know about regional development funds, or were fooled into believing hat the UK government would replace it --and give more, because it wouldn't be paying the EU anymore. Never mind that the reason the North and Wales got these regional development funds in the first place was because the UK government gives them jack ****.

    Stupid is as stupid does.
     
  11. RedFlames

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    Oh but it's out money! they're just giving back part of what we pay in...

    ...aye and do you really think the govt would've chipped into those projects themselves?

    Like Lottery Funding it's basically a euphamism for '**** the govt should be paying for but won't'.
     
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    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

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    And people ask why remoaners keep saying leavers were turkeys voting for christmas, at least Scotland and Northern Ireland knew what side their bread was buttered on.
     
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    I don't think that will change the outcome...
     
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    Neither, but its not just a snap call based on the recent forecasts.
     
  17. adidan

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    I think that's what I meant about the EU message getting lost or not being conveyed.

    It always appeared if something couldn't be done it was the EU's fault for not funding it (when it was our Government's responsibility), yet when development money flooded into a region from the EU the MPs were happy to show up and imply it was their doing, when it wasn't.
     
  18. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

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    I'm not sure those recent forecasts really change much, remainers were already pretty sure that there would be a financial hit and the poorest, most deprived areas, and the vulnerable would be hit the hardest.

    The leavers on the other hand probably either believe the numbers have been manipulated for political gain, that it's a forecast so is bound to be wrong, or that it's not modeled whatever fantastic bespoke deal that the governments going to get us.
     
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    It's a bit like a cancer patient dismissing the doctor's negative prognosis on the basis that it doesn't take into account the patient's preferred scenario of a miraculous recovery.
     
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    True, but people should know by now how politicians operate. Democracy is not just a right, but also a responsibility. An electorate that wants choices has to take responsibility for those choices. We can blame the farmer or the butcher, but it was the turkeys that voted for Christmas.
     

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