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E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

Discussion in 'Serious' started by TheBlackSwordsMan, 22 Feb 2016.

  1. VipersGratitude

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  2. Archtronics

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    lol is that the same Crispin that managed to loose more than half his clients money in two years, I wouldn’t be too worried.
    Unless that’s who your pensions with...
     
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  3. VipersGratitude

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    What's there to be worried about? It's already done - Helping to finance the weakening of the nation so he ultimately could profit from it.
     
  4. Archtronics

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    Sounds typically British to me...:lol:
     
  5. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    IDK about anyone else but I'm looking forward to visiting the museum of Brexit when it opens, although I'm unsure what to make of their reasons for opening.
    It's almost like they're suggesting that the UK won't be around for long so they need to preserve things and keep a records for future generations. :D
     
  6. Anfield

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    Renting out baseball bats right next to the Farage statue will be more profitable than selling cocaine.:naughty:
     
  7. RedFlames

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    Renting out baseball bats right next to Farage would be more profitable still.
     
  8. Nexxo

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    Desperation?

    How about a vision for Brexit? How about a plan? Sorry, we haven't got one of those. We haven't got any conceivable, plausible idea of how the British economy or society would actually be better off outside of the EU. So let's have blue passports. Let's have national Brexit day. Let's have a museum. Let's pretend that Brexit is something to celebrate and commemorate, and not the most embarrassing narcissistic self-deluding circle jerk of British nationalism in history.

    It's pathetic.
     
  9. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    I think that it started out as an April fools joke and ended up as a real thing says it all.
    I've accepted there's never going to be a vision or plan, it's going to be make it up as we go along and everyone for themselves in a classic Milton Friedman selfishness style.
    Bad day at work? :(
     
  10. Nexxo

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    Well, it is. When Brexiteers spend more time on vacuous propaganda bigging up Brexit than actually planning for it, then you know they're just trying to convince themselves.
     
  11. Anfield

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    Convincing the treasonous lolcows (or whatever they call us today) could potentially be easier if we had the impression that they at least believe in it themselves.
     
  12. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    I'm just grateful they've not started burning us heretics and non-believers at the post. :worried:
     
  13. Nexxo

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    That's planned for Brexit Day bonfire.
     
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    I do believe Hung, drawn and quartered is the preferred method in ye olde Britain.

    Bad luck gents, I for one have always maintained Brexit will be a great success for all. Pip pip tally ho.:lol:
     
  15. Nexxo

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    Problem is: nobody will explain how.
     
  16. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    According to this article on The Conversation the how isn't important, apparently sensemaking doesn't need to make sense, it just needs to make us feel better.
    :p
     
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    The problem is: there is not even any sense making. Any vision would do, but there is none whatsoever.

    This is very telling, given that even I can come up with a vision/strategy that would make Brexit workable and possibly even successful. I actually seem to have a better Brexit plan than the Brexiteers, who are mostly running around in circles and on the few occasions that they manage to run in a straight line, are going in the wrong direction, The great Brexit traitor saboteurs are the Brexiteers themelves.
     
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    Better not have swiped my joke strategy of:
    London, Scotland and NI join Ireland (London can have pseudo independence from Ireland like Hong Kong does from China), while England and Wales can go isolate themselves from the world however much they want to.
     
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    Good idea, but no. I was thinking more of:
    - remain in the EEA/EFTA for 5 years until those fabled trade deals are clinched, and then review if it's worth staying or going;
    - boosting UK high-tech manufacturing and technology licencing in automated farming, green energy generation (e.g. Wales leads the world in wave electricity generation; why is the UK not pouring money into that rather than a foreign-built and owned nuclear power station? Japan, China and Indonesia would pay good money for such tech), Fin-Tech and specialist engineering;
    - using public infrastructure development as a way of boosting the above (through commissioning, using it as proof of concept testing and advertising to the world what the UK can do);
    - increase state ownership share in public transport and utilities;
    - hop over to the Netherlands and see what high productivity automated farming looks like, and use these ideas to make the UK self-sufficient in food production and then quality food exports;
    - invest heavily in early child wellbeing and development schemes --like, for 20 years. It is cheap and pays off big in the long term;
    - invest in community centres and services. Again cheap but pays off hugely.
    - put all the above, plus health and social care under an all-party parliamentary working group to ensure a coherent and consistent strategy for the next 20 years.
     
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  20. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Sure there is, we're leaving the EU ← that's the vision and we don't need a map because its never been done before.

    It's like the World War II soldiers lost in the Alps, they know they're lost because no ones been there before so they know there's not a map to go by, their tired, cold, hungry, and scared but that doesn't matter as the leader has told them everythings going to OK because he knows what he's doing, he knows a way out. It doesn't matter that he doesn't actually know a way out as the tired, cold, hungry, and scared soldiers just want someone to make sense of a situation that they themselves can't make sense of.

    That's what our politicians are doing with Brexit, they're telling people who can't make sense of a complex and confusing situation that everythings going to be OK, it doesn't matter that they don't know that it's going to OK as when you're in such a situation where your brain can't make sense of things you latch onto to the first thing that appears to make sense even if it doesn't.

    You follow a map for the Pyrénées as it's the only thing that's making sense.
     
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