E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

The Torygraph is just porn for over 60's... and some good cricket coverage for a couple weeks ever summer.

 

Found this call to LBC from a van driver rather sobering to listen too, i guess people losing their businesses is a price worth paying though.

 

Meanwhile the FT does a paraphrased version of Dominic Cummings' rant:

 

'Uncontaminated by reality'. His fantasy summed up in his own words.

 

So he is mad that the government is handling brexit the same way it has handed out train franchises, manages maintenance of water pipes, decides what broadband is, implements surveillance laws, combats knife crime and so on?

Got it, so we now have his consent to laugh at him for not having seen it coming.

 

Well, that would certainly explain why Brexit is making like British Rail and has ran into an unexpected delay.

Please allow me:

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Wait up! Have you been moonlighting as a journalist for the FT.

 

The NHS doesn't pay what it used to.

 

Neither does the FT...

 

I bet FT are real cheapskates.

 

More British Rail analogies:



Find them for each part of the UK here: http://www.brexitmapping.com/brexit_maps_sales.html

 

Meanwhile a rift appears between momentum and Corbyn:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...mentum-give-members-vote-labour-brexit-policy

 

Of all the criticisms of Labour under Corbyn, 'being too much like Blair' is certainly a new one.

 

The problem they have is if they were forced to do that it would make voting, or knowing them abstaining, against the final deal very difficult.

They've already said they're going to hold the government to account on what it said about exactly the same benefits or something like that and we already know that's impossible, although they've said loads of other stuff as well so your guess is as good as mine if they'll stick to that.

Their being deliberately ambiguous because they don't want to put off voters from leave or remain and that can only go on for so long before people, like Momentum, are no longer comfortable with the ambiguity and want something a bit more concrete.

I suspect they're trying to postpone having to decide on the whole Brexit thing until public opinion shifts markedly in one direction or the other and going on the mess the government is making of the whole thing that seems to be shifting towards remaining in, unfortunately it's not shifted enough and may never do so sufficiently enough to enable a politician to publicly say the vote itself was wrong or that we should call the whole thing off.

 

I just don't see that strategy working, because if May fails to get Norway+ (both May and Barnier have hinted at that as the outcome of negotiations) through parliament then it is certain that the Tories will immediately dispose of May, so there will be no time for Labour to prepare themselves out of a paper bag, much less prepare a coherent strategy.

 

Completely agree, although for different reasons.

Labour are expecting there to be a vote on the final deal and for there to have been a shift in public opinion, firstly i don't think there will be a "final" deal to actually vote on as it's going to be dragged out over many years with lots of small steps, rumors that the government is seeking to extend the transition period and the NI backstop is evidence of that IMO.

Then there's also the fact that no matter how bad the government screws up or how bad the pain people experience they'll dismiss any suggestion that it was their decision to leave that is the cause.

 

That or ol' reliable - 'labour would've been worse'...

Coming soon to a Conservative Party election campaign near you:

"If you think we ****ed it up... just think how bad Labour would've ****ed it up... "

 

So... HMG can't even flounce off in a huff without ****ing it up...

Britain’s plans for ‘no-deal’ Brexit have ground to a halt --FT [Potential $wall]

 

To add a wrinkle to that: as old voters are dying and young people are coming of voting age, the electorate is slowly moving towards Remain. Now imagine in a few years, when all the crap hits, who they are going to blame?

This is why Labour is doing its best to stay at the side lines, whistling and muttering to itself as it looks up at the sky: "nothing to do with us, guv'..." It hopes that when things go sideways it can then swoop in as the saviour of all. But more likely people will blame Labour too, for not being a ****ing opposition when it mattered.

 

Luckily for us the EU has even been working on trying to avert the worst of the damage of that possibility months ago:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42625474

Of course the UK complained instead of saying thank you or doing the job themselves, but better than nothing.