E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

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  1. Nexxo

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    Indeed. Also shows what bad judges of character Tory MPs are to have elected her... not that they had a great set of candidates to pick from.
     
  2. RedFlames

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    As i've said several times, it's not that it couldn't get any worse... May, Corbyn, [and Cable] were litereally the best their parties could manage...
     
  3. Anfield

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    Well, the Chequers wishlist certainly isn't compatible with the wishlist of America:
    https://www.ft.com/content/92ad2ee0-c309-11e7-a1d2-6786f39ef675

    Keeping standards on food is a big no no for America and killing passporting of financial services that allow US companies with a presence in London easier access to the EU is also the opposite of what they want.

    So soon enough she will have to choose something, because if she stakes the US trade deal on her party before country games then the knives will be out again.
     
  4. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    What makes it worse is that all but one of them are unelected bureaucrats, we elected the Conservatives with Mrs May as their leader so it was expected she's become PM but the rest of them, no one ever voted on who they wanted to be the foreign, trade, or brexit secretaries.

    Making a fudge of something would mean you at least have some understanding of how things work and that's not what I'm seeing from our politicians, they still seem to be living in cloud cuckoo land where they think you can follow the rules you like and disregard the ones you don't on a whim.

    No, it's not a fudge as it's obvious to anyone with a basic understanding on the workings of the EU that what she intends to ask for is a no go from the start, they've been told a gazillion times that the EU is not going to compromise on the four freedoms but here they are asking the EU to ignore the rules that allow 27 nations to work together without constantly arguing over anything and everything.
     
  5. Anfield

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    Insert inevitable comparison to JURI and its fudge with changes to copyright law, except JURI would have never dared to deny the EU parliament a say in the matter...
     
  6. RedFlames

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    David David says '**** this, i'm done'...

    David Davis resigns as Brexit Secretary --Sky

    ...though how one resigns from a job they weren't doing i'm not quite sure.
     
  7. Anfield

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    Bloody Brexiteers coming to take our jobs:p
     
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    Unicorn herder evidently didn't work out...
     
  9. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    F me, that's not exactly a ringing endorsement of Brexit or the 'plan' Mrs May concocted on Friday. That people (in general) still want to go ahead with Brexit after everything we know is beyond belief.

    I'm not exactly a fan of Mr Davis but he couldn't have chosen a worse time to do the off, what's that make the total number of ministers who've quit, resigned, or been pushed now?
     
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  10. Nexxo

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    Suella Braverman and Steve Baker have also resigned. Are they "taking back control" yet?
     
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  11. adidan

    adidan Guesswork is still work

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    This is hilarious.

    Only we could pull off 'Carry On Brexit'.
     
  12. Nexxo

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    “There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside.” --David Davis, 10.10.2016

    But never fear: the new, reshuffled Brexit minister is rumoured to be Grayling, or Fox. :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:
     
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  13. adidan

    adidan Guesswork is still work

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    Anybody got an arm long enough to reach into the barrel?
     
  14. Nexxo

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    I think we'd need a scraper with an extending handle. And something to hold the nose.
     
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    Well in fairness its the one good political move he has made.
     
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  16. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Having just read the comments section of the excess it seems that's the general consensus, that DD did the right thing and Mrs May is a remain traitor with her plan for a soft brexit, that the harder it is the better.

    Although given how close the referendum was and the calls for us all to come together in the months following the result i find it deeply worrying and more than a little disturbing that Brexiteers seem completely unwilling to meet in the middle.

    DD personally may not have liked Mrs May's proposal but considering the result was 52-48% even her proposal could be considered as being to extreme.
     
  17. Anfield

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    There is no middle to meet in among the options that involve leaving.

    Option 1:
    If you want to leave the EU but stay close to it that means being in the EEA (Norway option) or tarting up thousands of agreements that amount to EEA membership in drag (Switzerland option).

    Option 2:
    If you want to leave the EU and stay further away from it you can do that and the EU was even nice enough to throw in a transition period to avoid a cliff edge while a plain regular FTA is negotiated (Canada option).

    The EU has made it abundantly clear that option 1.5 is about as real as platform 9 3/4 or Trumps integrity, yet that is the supposed compromise May still wants to chase.
     
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    And she gave the job to Dominic Raab, better known as the nob who thinks empathy is only for those who can afford to buy it..
     
  19. Nexxo

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    Interesting choice. Another Brexiteer of course, Theresa May trying to keep the balance. The Graun points out that UK government increasingly resembles one of those foreign states where appointments are divided up amongst religious sects. Seen as a pragmatic rather than hard-line Brexiteer (quoted as saying Brexit will be a rocky process and will take more time to get right), son of a Czech refugee and married to a Brazilian.

    Of course he will have been made to swear loyalty to May's plan, so we can assume he signed up to it when he accepted the post.
     
  20. RedFlames

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    Well if the rumours/leaks are to be believed that all of the negotiation has been via Robbins and not the DExEU/Davis... Raab's appointment is as meaningless as the job he's been given, probably why everyone expected Gove to get it.
     

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