E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

So May has accepted four amendments to her Chequers Fudge, effectively killing off the renamed Max Fac...
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...dy-cave-in-hardline-brexiters-customs-demands

As well as having some serious consequences for the NI backstop, but not like anyone cares about that

...But of course without the gutted Customs part said Fudge will be even less workable than it already was to begin with.

So Plan B will have to make do, I hear carillion is going to be responsible for ordering the paper to write it on

 

That's a lot of furore over changing a plan that had no chance of being accepted by the EU into another plan that has no chance of being accepted by the EU.

 

It's not like voters weren't told that voting for something with little idea of what the end goal was meant to be or how we'd get there was a bad idea, even Mr Brexit himself said that voters would be put of voting to leave if they were presented with the details, he basically implied voters were so stupid that informing them about what they were voting for would've put them off.

 

Bloody glorious for those who just want to see the world burn though...

May and the remains of her Cabinet in corner A
ERG in corner B
Remainer Tories in corner C
Leaver Tories in corner D
Official Party opinion in corner E

 

WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME!!!

"Five parties enter, one party leaves... Five parties enter, one party leaves... Five parties enter, one party leaves!..."

 

https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/1018936076872880128?s=20

Anna Soubry talking direct to the delusional toffs.

 

Here’s a qs for you, why is May trying to hold on to power so badly?
She doesn’t seem to posses any of the traits required to be a prime minister and so far is likely to go down as the worst in history.

 

She's an authoritation whackjob who thinks she can control everything despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.


As to why havent the ERG frothers ousted her...

They're spineless cowards
They don't have the 1922 Committee maths to force a leadership challenge
They don;t have a candidate/aren't confident their candidate can win the challege
If they swing and miss, it risks emboldening both Maybot and those at the other end of the polical spectrum within the party and/or risking the ire of the DUP, making the parliamentary maths even less favourable for them.

...or some combo of the above.

 

Theresa May is the mousy class swot who wanted to be that girl in school. You know, the pretty, popular, confident one with the entourage of friends. We may grow up, but our child selves remain.

Boris is very similar; he was class clown but really he wanted to be top boy.

The ERG haven't ousted May because apart from not having the numbers, nobody wants her job. Especially not Rees-Mogg; he comes from a social class that sits back and commands, not does the work to make it happen. Being a PM is simply beneath him --it earns ludicrously poorly (compared to his income), and involves the street fight of daily politics and base squabbling at PMQT. He leaves that to the commoners.

 

https://twitter.com/HouseofCommons/status/1018963279920525312

So our lovely MPs voted in favour of the 1st of the amendments that means the Chequers Fudge is dead unless the UK manages to make the EU collect customs on behalf the UK (which is never going to happen).

Btw, tomorrow the MPs will vote on starting their holiday early (this thursday instead of next week)

Edit and Defence Minister Guto Bebb has resigned over clause 36 vote.

Edit: Irony alert, Guto Bebb not long ago:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-44778148

 

Early holidays?

Jeez and I thought even having Conference season was a luxury at the moment.

The entire House is full of feckwits.

 

The Conservatives can thank the newest members of the ERG - Labour MPs Kate Hoey, Frank Field and Grahame Stringer.


What was it Greased Frogg said about May having to rely on 'socialist votes' to get **** to pass?

 

Simple, because the Conservative party is made up from a homogeneousness collection of groups and people from the far right to center right of politics and Mrs May, like most Conservative leaders in the past, is trying to moderate the more extreme elements within her party and prevent them splintering off into another right wing party, it's why we held the referendum in the first place, to put down UKIP and the threat of MPs defecting to them leading to a dilution of right wing votes.

Diluting your voter base makes it very difficult to get elected in a FPTP system with only two main parties, you only need to look at how diluted the left wing is and what effect having 4-5 parties has had on the main party to see that, but that's FPTP for you, it's an archaic electoral system from a time gone by when there was only ever right and left wing politics.

EDIT: In other news it seems Vote Leave have been referred to the police for breaking electoral law, i doubt there'll be any legal proceedings but the fact that the electoral commission have referred it doesn't exactly scream free and fair democratic vote.

Another EDIT: Also is it just me or are politicians going out of their way to screw everything up? First it was the newly appointed Brexit secretary deciding that attending a summer drinks event organised by a think-tank is more important than his first meeting with EU negotiators and now parliaments voting on whether they should break up early for the summer.

At least we can vote them out of office if we don't like what their doing unlike the undemocratic and sclerotic EU....#takingbackcontrol.

 

They are headless chickens. Vince Cable and Tim Farron yesterday casually missed the amendment votes that were central to their party's Brexit policy. Farron was too busy giving a talk in Sherborne, Dorset, on how he squares his controversial views as an evangelical Christian with being a liberal politician. Cable was attending a meeting away from parliament. Priorities, I guess.

When the Lib Dem spokesman was challenged by LBC on why Farron and Cable had failed to vote on the amendments, he said the Lib Dems did not anticipate that the vote would be so close.

Expect more avoidance and displacement activity from all sides until the UK crashes out without a deal, and then there will be national chaos.

 

Some lawyer has done some digging about the implications of the cheating from Vote Leave,

Basically: Cheating has no legal impact on a referendum result

https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1019114112276750336

The tldr:

 

Basically - as it was only ever advisory, the result being invalid wouldn't matter as parliament were never obliged to abide by the result.

 

Yea ^^that^^

At best it makes a bigger mockery of the whole affair, if that's even possible.

 

You couldn't make this stuff up:

Parliamentary Sovereignty in action (the sovereignty to abdicate responsibility)

More entertainment to follow throughout the afternoon and evening...

Edit:
May survived by the hair on her teeth against an amendment that would have obliged Government to seek membership of Customs Union if negotiations go nowhere.

Stories are coming out that the Tory whips had to bring out the biggest gun they could find to keep May in power...

https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1019277905002672128

Edit 2:
Plan to go on holiday earlier has been killed off for now (within 24 hours of having been announced, so don't ask me how many more u-turns before scheduled holiday next week).

 

And the shamble keeps imploding:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...-stands-firm-after-commons-vote-37127810.html

Edit:

May finally explained in full detail what brexit means:

Brexit continues to mean Brexit

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...it-may-presses-on-with-her-plan-idUKKBN1K81QZ