E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

Isn't a no deal, off the cliff, renegotiate 750 international treaties Brexit what people voted for though?

Brexiteers tell us it's insulting to suggest they didn't know what they were voting for so I'd just assumed when i was reading the comments section on the daily excess that everyone getting angry about how the EU is punishing us supported a second vote.

I mean if you voted to leave and don't like the way Brexit is going doesn't that automatically mean you didn't know what you were voting for?

 

I think the people conflate knowing what they voted for with being realistic about what they voted for. You can know that you voted for unicorns, but that doesn't mean that you're not crazy for actually expecting one.

 

It's probably to early for me as i don't understand what you mean.

I've even spent the last Qtr hour re-reading it trying to work out why I'm being so dumb.

 

Leavers always argue that they knew what they were voting for, but that does not mean they understood what they were voting for. I can be fully aware that I am voting for unicorns, without understanding that unicorns are mythical, non-existent beasts.

So now Leavers are demanding their unicorns, and Remainers say that Leavers clearly didn't understand what they were voting for, and Leavers get all frustrated angry because they know damn well that they voted for unicorns.

And Remainers get frustrated and angry in turn and say: but you can't have unicorns! And Leavers argue but unicorns is what they voted for, so now they should get their unicorns because democracy.

And Remainers then say that's not how democracy works, you can't just get a ****ing mythical non-existent unicorn just because you voted for it, and Leavers get ever more confused and angry because democracy clearly means that when the majority votes for something, they should get it, and they voted for unicorns, so where the hell are they?

At which point Remainers decide that Leavers are clearly retards asking for the impossible, and there's no point arguing with them. And Leavers, who in the end will never get their unicorns because unicorns, after all, don't exist, blame Remainers for thwarting the democratic will of the people because they keep telling them that they can't have what they clearly know the majority voted for and for being negative and defeatist with their but unicorns don't exist talk. Because Brexit is not about facts; it is about belief: if you just want unicorns hard enough, they are possible.

 

On the subject of unicorns, remember how Farage has been trying to distance himself from the consequences of Brexit?

Now Arron Banks is following suit:

Yup, it is everybody else's fault that there won't be any unicorns, not theirs for promising unicorns that don't exist.

 

I understand what you mean now, TY.

The thing is they didn't vote for unicorns, they were told they could have them if they signed on the dotted line but there was nary a mention of unicorns on the contract. If someone said sign here if you want to leave earth and you said you knew what you signed you can't then complain if there idea of leaving earth doesn't include a rocket, spacesuit, or you being alive.

They may have voted they way they did because they were told there'd be unicorns but surely they were aware that the contract they signed made no mention of how to get a unicorn and what said unicorn would look like.

 

You and I may think that, because you and I are the kind of people who read the ****ing contract before we sign it. Most people however don't.

 

Whenever you think Brexit has run out of ways to make you laugh it finds yet another way:

Tony Blair (yes, that one) writing in the Guardian that Labour MPs shouldn't support any May deal...

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...s-dont-flirt-with-the-lesser-evil-brexit-deal

 

Perhaps the devil could just dump Blair and Cameron together on a desert island in the middle of Hell, where they are doomed to spend the rest of eternity listening to each other talking about how great a politician they are.

 

You know things are bad when John Major is the one everyone remembers fondly...

 

While that maybe true for yourself it's less so for me, sometimes i read them and sometimes skim through them, but one thing i don't do is moan or get angry if something i don't like happens as it's my own fault for not read the damn thing.

That's what i don't get when leave supporters get angry at the way the government is handling things. Take the ERG for example, they say they don't like Chequers but that means they didn't read the contract and didn't know what they were signing up to, it's like one of those people who get angry at being charged an overdraft fee or for terminating a contact early when that's what they agreed to when signing on the dotted line.

 

EULAs don't count. Nobody reads EULAs.

They didn't realise that there was a contract, like they never thought to have a plan. Brexit is a belief. It's a wish for unicorns and endless cake.

 

Anoyher Brexit dividend: German manufacturer Schaeffler to shut two UK plants.

Michelin Tyres to shut plant in Dundee.

#winning

 

There's going to be a lot more of that sort of thing as we near B-day and the years that follow.

Going on what some audience members said on last nights CH4 Brexit thing it seems most people believe they won't notice any difference, i guess it's a case of you don't miss what you've never had.

 

It will be the death of a thousand cuts. No sudden dramatic Project Fearocalypse, just more I-can't-believe-it's-not-Austerity™, more high street stores shutting up and more factories closing down. It will happen slowly, so nobody will pay much attention until they arrive at work one day and their senior manager tells them their jobs will be redundant by Christmas.

Here a nice article that deconstructs the fundamental Brexit lie.

 

In fairness one could argue that’s going to happen anyway, brexit just speeds it up.

 

I'm not sure how that argument would go as I'm not sure what 'it' is.

 

It = just more I-can't-believe-it's-not-Austerity™

 

If that case then I'd say defiantly not, austerity is little more than code for reducing public services it's just if you tell people that you're taking away their libraries and health care they tend to not like that idea, if you frame it more positively by telling them to cut their cloth and live within their means it's more palatable.

Each of our two main parties have very different opinions on how much we should spend on public services so it goes up or down depending on who's in power, however Brexit is probably going to be a constant downward pressure on top of that, it will give the Conservatives extra leeway to reduce spending even more in an attempt to maintain the value of the pound and it will prevent Labour from increasing spending because of the awful value of the pound.

 

Economic damage from public sector cuts due to austerity and economic damage from brexit are kind of the same though, both are slow burning economic wildfires triggered by a political choice.