1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

Discussion in 'Serious' started by TheBlackSwordsMan, 22 Feb 2016.

  1. adidan

    adidan Avatar now in stock for xmas 2019

    Joined:
    25 Mar 2009
    Posts:
    12,749
    Likes Received:
    1,087
    Aye, he knew what he was saying and how it would go down. So was it wise?:)

    Verhofstadt just said that May had said there is no question that the backstop won't be in the withdrawl agreement. So say one thing to Parliament and another to the EU, true to form then.
     
  2. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

    Joined:
    23 Apr 2009
    Posts:
    10,248
    Likes Received:
    1,034
    Didn't Verhofstadt and Junker make related quips?

    IIRC -

    Junker: I'm not as religious as Tusk so I don't believe in hell, except for whatever this is, this is hell.

    Verhofstadt: Brexiteers would manage to divide hell. [which I read as 'they'd start an argument in an empty room'].
     
  3. VipersGratitude

    VipersGratitude Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    4 Mar 2008
    Posts:
    2,895
    Likes Received:
    331
    To quote a certain news satire site (the likes of whom seem to be able to grasp the preposterousness of political reality than the actual press these days):

    "The genius of the Donald Tusk "special place in Hell" insult is that to be offended by it, you have to admit to having no plan for delivering Brexit, despite being full-throated in your support of it. You can't be offended without proving yourself ignorant at best, fraudulent at worst."
     
    adidan likes this.
  4. adidan

    adidan Avatar now in stock for xmas 2019

    Joined:
    25 Mar 2009
    Posts:
    12,749
    Likes Received:
    1,087
    Indeed. EU politicians easily showing how inept our own are.

    In other news I see Corbyn has written to May, essentially thinking he's played a blinder - look like he's being reasonable, or actually get some sort of customs union and mess with the tories and pushing talk of a referendum out the way.

    Not sure how many people he realises he's turning away from Labour. The polls should tell him, a Government found in contempt, a PM whose leadership was challenged and yet Labour still trail the Tories.

    So we have a choice of inept or inept. Awesome.
     
  5. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

    Joined:
    30 Oct 2012
    Posts:
    8,935
    Likes Received:
    268
    And that's why we have a representative democracy, it supposedly meant to make it easier to keep political decisions and financial ones separate, unfortunately we (as in the system not me and you) seem to have forgotten that.

    Perversely we've probably opened our self up to much more of that by deciding to leave, particular industries with lobbyists and political connections will probably have a much easier time subverting a single country or single politician than 27 and thousands.
     
  6. Nexxo

    Nexxo Queue Jumper

    Joined:
    23 Oct 2001
    Posts:
    33,232
    Likes Received:
    1,163
    Sure, at a time of huge economic vulnerability and uncertainty, when local industry is reeling with extra tariff and trade costs and red tape, let's open the market wide for competitors' goods and see how the local industry copes with that. What could possibly go wrong?

    In the long term, it removes one more reason for countries to want to negotiate FTAs with the UK. Why bother if your goods already have a free pass?

    Because young people can afford to take substantial risks with their pension savings? I would say not; you'd get better returns sinking it into a property. I don't mean to sound cynical (but that's what I am so that's how it comes out) but I'd say there is some good opportunity for exploitation there, and for a lot of people finding that most of their pension savings have been gambled away in risky ventures by the time they hit middle age.

    It certainly seems to convey the message that the EU doesn't give a **** anymore, and has reconciled itself with a no-deal.

    Meanwhile Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving:
    Goods sent overseas to distant destinations in the next nine days may be locked out of harbours as they won't arrive before Brexit day;
    EU roaming charges to return;
    The Brexit ferry company with no ferries will operate from a port that isn't a port.
     
    Last edited: 7 Feb 2019
  7. Risky

    Risky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    10 Sep 2001
    Posts:
    4,066
    Likes Received:
    35
    Retail, we have a couple of shops. You?
     
  8. Risky

    Risky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    10 Sep 2001
    Posts:
    4,066
    Likes Received:
    35
    This isn't about some red-braced wideboy running off with your pension pot (hypothetically, I assume you have a nice final salary pension). It's about the allocation rules and the risk profile. If a 25 had his pension all invested in government bonds it wouldn't be very sensible giving that it will be 45 odd years before the investement is mature. Now allowing a funds to stick, say 5-10% into a venture capital fund instead of listed equity should improve returns on average over time.

    This is actually some decent sounding policy managing to escape despite the brexit quagmire.
     
  9. Nexxo

    Nexxo Queue Jumper

    Joined:
    23 Oct 2001
    Posts:
    33,232
    Likes Received:
    1,163
    That sounds reasonable, but I can't help but being suspicious about it. Governments have a way of taking an at face value sensible idea and totally corrupting it. The opportunity to dip into a huge money pot to capitalise on some too-good-to-be-true ventures is too big. Pensions are too important to mess with.

    Tough times in retail, man. Good luck!
     
  10. Risky

    Risky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    10 Sep 2001
    Posts:
    4,066
    Likes Received:
    35
    Also too important to ignore.
     
  11. fix-the-spade

    fix-the-spade Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    4 Jul 2011
    Posts:
    3,332
    Likes Received:
    241
    With the successive governments track record the odds are more in favour of 'transfer Tax Payer's savings to Minister's school friends,' than 'take calculated risks for increased growth of savings,'

    After all, financing new infrastructure and hospitals in partnership with private investors to reduce the initial cost is a good idea on paper (and something other countries have made work), yet we ended up with PFI, which cost even more than funding building through government bonds.
     
    Byron C likes this.
  12. Nexxo

    Nexxo Queue Jumper

    Joined:
    23 Oct 2001
    Posts:
    33,232
    Likes Received:
    1,163
    ^^^ Exactly.
     
  13. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

    Joined:
    23 Apr 2009
    Posts:
    10,248
    Likes Received:
    1,034
     
    Nexxo likes this.
  14. Xlog

    Xlog Active Member

    Joined:
    16 Dec 2006
    Posts:
    519
    Likes Received:
    33
    Perspective of someone who has to deal with UK based suppliers/shops - have yet to receive anything that has been posted via royal mail this year, other people I know share same experience. Suppliers who operate out of UK based warehouses or have their offices there either don't respond then asked about their ability to supply things after B-day, or flat out say that don't expect any guarantees before summer.
    At this point I'll probably stop dealing with UK based businesses till next year, its just too much a hassle.
     
  15. liratheal

    liratheal Sharing is Caring

    Joined:
    20 Nov 2005
    Posts:
    10,107
    Likes Received:
    561
    I mean.. Sure, but. At this point I'd take a strategically shaved ape over the current people in charge, so it's not really a challenge to find someone more suited to the task.

    At least the UK might get bananas.
     
    Nexxo and adidan like this.
  16. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

    Joined:
    30 Oct 2012
    Posts:
    8,935
    Likes Received:
    268
    Along with bananas we can roll back on all those times the ECJ ruled against us, all 89 of them in the last 30 years, little gems like...
    And...
    ;)
     
    Nexxo likes this.
  17. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    15 Jan 2010
    Posts:
    4,328
    Likes Received:
    262
    No unelected EUSSR Fascist Bureaucrat can take away my right to sh*t on a beach where families with little kids go on holiday:p
     
    liratheal and Corky42 like this.
  18. adidan

    adidan Avatar now in stock for xmas 2019

    Joined:
    25 Mar 2009
    Posts:
    12,749
    Likes Received:
    1,087
    Don't count on it, when we lived in NZ there were several banana shortages.

    Oh and veg prices varied drastically over the year. Oh and in winter you generally had a choice of pumpkin and/or broccoli.

    Don't even ask me about the standard price of a cucumber, it'll make you cry.
     
    liratheal likes this.
  19. Nexxo

    Nexxo Queue Jumper

    Joined:
    23 Oct 2001
    Posts:
    33,232
    Likes Received:
    1,163
    **** yes. Now THAT is how you negotiate. Perhaps he should be made Minister for DexEU.
     
  20. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

    Joined:
    23 Apr 2009
    Posts:
    10,248
    Likes Received:
    1,034
    Reclaiming fishing rights is fairly meaningless if you find you can't sell what you've just caught.



     

Share This Page