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E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

Discussion in 'Serious' started by TheBlackSwordsMan, 22 Feb 2016.

  1. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    Survival of the thickest.
     
  2. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

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    I'd not considered this, for companies shipping freight to Asia a hard Brexit happens this Thursday.
     
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  3. Nexxo

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    I think nobody considered it (except to dismiss it as "**** business"), like DEFRA didn't consider requirements for fish exports. There are going to be a lot of such details that are not being considered right now, but will suddenly pop up on Brexit day. No matter how chaotic people think things will be, they will be a lot worse.
     
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  4. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

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    What's worse is that it seems Mrs May intends to take 'her deal' vs 'no deal' right down to the wire, as in a week or even days before the 29th, like the internal spat within the Conservative party hasn't caused enough damage to the country already.

    Cameron should've just let the Eurosceptics within his party bugger of to UKIP.
     
  5. adidan

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    Wow my leave voting mum has said if there was a vote now she reckons everyone would vote to stay as she had no idea how complicated it was going to be, nor how it would impact people like her nephew's partner, or my partner for that matter... And she reads the Mail. :eek:

    Progress, albeit a bit too late me thinks.
     
  6. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

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    Am i the only one who keeps noticing similarities between the rhetoric around guns in America and Brexit?

    Things like it's not Brexit that's causing business to leave it's the uncertainty, and it's not Brexit that's bad it's that a bad person is in control. They both sound similar to the idiom of guns don't kill people, people kill people, and the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

    It seems like some sort of denial or refusal to accept that Guns/Brexit maybe the root cause of the problem, if only we had more guns and/or a harder Brexit everything would be fine.
     
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  7. adidan

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    That or flat earthers.

    Yeah the earth looks flat where you are but see the bigger picture and look at the facts and it's plain to see it's not.
     
  8. RedFlames

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    If you look at who's pushing/funding the NRA, the Leave.eu ampaign, Trump and whatnot, you'll probably find a good amount of overlap.
     
  9. Nexxo

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    More Brexit dividend: Brexit-hit Spanish nurses deepen NHS staffing crisis.

    EDIT: another link here.
     
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  10. RedFlames

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    For some it was a couple of weeks ago. the stuff is already on its way to/from asia with no concrete idea of what'll happen when it arrives at its destination.
     
  11. VipersGratitude

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    Yeah many things get pushed through in the background.

    However, on quick glance is this not a good bill? Stopping PFIs, excluding the NHS from International TAs and repealing charges based on immigration status?
     
  13. Nexxo

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    Don't know much about this bill, but I am noticing a lot of articles lately in health policy mags about the future affordability and sustainability of the NHS.
     
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    And that's exactly what made me suspicious. It seems too sensible for a government that's also pushing Brexit through...at first glance
     
  15. adidan

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    I know what you mean.

    There must be some changes due somewhere that means all funding comes from the sale of every family's first born or something.

    In the past the attitude of bury it now, nobody will notice has been well accepted amongst whoever has been in power.
     
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    Things like that always get my hackles up, IME ensuring sustainability is code for removing the budget of.
     
  17. adidan

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    Not sure why the demand on the NHS isn't celebrated and a reason for more tax money - it's helped us live longer. Success. Invest more money then.
     
  18. RedFlames

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    'affordability and sustainability' aka 'what can we use to justify budget cuts?'
     
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    All the evidence says that it is the most efficient way of delivering health care, and that affordable health care boosts the nation's GDP (healthy people are productive people), but ideologically hard-right Tories are simply against it. Remember: there is no scientific evidence for Austerity either.
     
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  20. adidan

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    Very true.

    In UK politics there seems to be no room for commonsense nor facts.
     

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