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E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

Discussion in 'Serious' started by TheBlackSwordsMan, 22 Feb 2016.

  1. fix-the-spade

    fix-the-spade Well-Known Member

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    But you can count Labour out of either side, since Comrade Corbyn stands for nothing.
     
  2. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it is only Leeds... but holy smokes that is a pounding the Tories took:

    If that continues into the night maybe there is hope that some mechanics will follow the robot into retirement:p:

    Oh and the Brexit Party candidate who lives in France won a seat in the north east of England:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:
     
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  3. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    Waxy Lemming at least got **** all and flounced away in a huff...
     
  4. The_Crapman

    The_Crapman Don't phone it's just for fun.

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    Just when you thought the general population couldn't get any more retarded, they vote for Farage again. FML.
     
  5. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

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    Biggest laugh (or faceplant) of the night goes to Labour, who three years after the referendum have this to say:



    (Yes, he is only Deputy Leader, yes the rest of the party is likely to contradict him)
     
  6. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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  7. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

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    Just wait until they find out it was all for nothing.

    If the UK leaves without a deal, there is no need for the EU parliament to deal with Brexit at all.
    If the UK leaves with a deal, even having 100% of the votes going to the Farage Party wouldn't help, because all member States need to sign off on it.

    Anyhow, what is basically the final result is in:

     
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  8. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    So I-can't-believe-it's-not-UKIP essentialy gained 5 seats... and in at least 2 of those seats were down to CHUKeminthebindependentsgroup stripping enough votes away from the LDs to hand an extra seat to nu-kip, that was the case in the NE from what i gather.

    nu-kip and the LDs did about what the BE numbers forecasted, they cot the greens and the conservatories number the wrong way round and labour also did worse than predicted [but that won't possibly be Saint Jeremy's fault... 'present but not involved', as per].

    By my maths -

    Brexit - +5
    LD - +15
    Labour - -10
    Conservative - -15
    Green - +4
    Plaid - no change
    SNP - +1

    And NI do their own thing with a different system and thus aren't included in these results.
     
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  9. DXR_13KE

    DXR_13KE BananaModder

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    Can someone please press the button? I want to get of this bus.
     
  10. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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  11. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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  12. loftie

    loftie Well-Known Member

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    TIL that while the EU votes are PR, unless my maths is really borked, I'm surprised to learn they're a lot less fairly balanced than I expected WRT seats gained.
     
  13. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    because the D'hondt system used [at least in the mainland uk, NI uses STV] isn't proper PR... it's just more proprtional than FPTP
     
  14. loftie

    loftie Well-Known Member

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    Ah, so everyone who keeps banging on about it being PR, i.e. the BBC, are being a bit disingenuous really. Though that doesn't surprise me as every time I've put them on this morning they've pretty much been pushing the country wants WTO because highest vote was for TBP, ignoring the total vote of remain party votes, whilst also then pointing it out the remain vote. :confused:
     
  15. Nexxo

    Nexxo Queue Jumper

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    Apparently, 9,489,558 voted for parties explicitly opposed to No Deal Brexit, and/or opposed to Brexit fullstop (LD/ Lab/G/SNP/PC/CH/SF/UUP/All/SDLP/UKEU/WEP) and 5,904,955 for parties explicitly for No Deal (BXP/UKIP/TUV/ED).

    So guess what the UK is going to do?
     
  16. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    I actually think the system seems pretty fair, although I've not read much about it apart from the halving of votes things so don't know what the flaws are....time to go have a proper read. :)
     
  17. liratheal

    liratheal Sharing is Caring

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    Bake a cake full of unicorns and ********?
     
  18. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    Flail around and do effectively nothing... like it has for the past 3 years...
     
  19. Anfield

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    Basically the problem is that if a smaller party fails to win a seat in any one constituency then those votes for them are effectively deleted and don't accumulate at the national level.

    For comparison:

    If the entire UK (excluding NI) was one large constituency with 70 seats distributed based on proportional representation rather than a bunch of smaller constituencies using a D'Hondt system then it would have looked something like this:

    Farage Party: 22
    LDem: 14
    Labour: 10
    Green: 9
    Con: 6
    SNP: 3
    Soubry Party: 3
    Kippers: 2
    Plaid: 1

    So basically the D'Hondt system gifted the Farage Party as well as the LibDems some extra seats at the expense of the Tories, Greens, Soubry and Kippers.
     
  20. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    The NI reults are 1 apiece for SF/DUP [unsurprising], and the 3rd seat going to the remain-leaning Alliance Party [at the expense of the brexit-leaning UUP].
     

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