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E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

Discussion in 'Serious' started by TheBlackSwordsMan, 22 Feb 2016.

  1. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    We have always been at war with Eastasia Europa
     
  2. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

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    Sterling at its lowest vs the Euro since the financial crisis.
    Sterling at its lowest vs the USD since the early 80s.
    Highest vacancy rates for shops since the financial crisis.
    The problems in Hong Kong.
    US - China trade war.
    Threat of recession in Germany.
    On the brink of war with Iran (lets face it, the UK will join in if Trumps trigger finger gets itchy).
    Negative records at the NHS being beaten in regards to wait times etc.
    Doom and Gloom in the car industry.

    And thats before we even get to Brexshite, but sure... The Snivelling Cocaine Toad will find some good news, even if he has to hire three family members on gold plated salaries to pull them out of his arse.
     
  3. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    I'd want more than a gold plated salary to go anywhere near Gove's back-side.
     
  4. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

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    The comedy / tragedy just doesn't end:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-caretaker-government-unworkable-say-lib-dems

    Yup, they are arguing over who should be appointed temporary Emperor PM of the UK in the case there was a lost no confidence vote, while ignoring that:
    They are currently on holiday
    Refused to hold a vote of no confidence before going on said holiday
    Have no workable plan on what to do if they actually succeeded
     
  5. edzieba

    edzieba Virtual Realist

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    Gee, if only somebody had proposed a candidate who had both 30+ years as a backbencher and experience leading a larger political party. I wonder where you might find one of those...
     
  6. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    The twitters are calling it 'Meatloaf brexit' [I will do anything for love to stop brexit... but I won't do that...]
     
  7. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    I know... Harriet Harman is sitting right there...
     
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    loftie Well-Known Member

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    At this point I'd let Lord Buckethead take over, it'd be an improvement.
     
  9. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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  10. wolfticket

    wolfticket Downwind from the bloodhounds

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  11. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

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    Yeah but is he willing to go into coalition with the Dolphin?
     
  12. yodasarmpit

    yodasarmpit No longer the other Brett.

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    If only Labour had a leader their own party could get behind, let alone the nation.
     
  13. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    Right now i'd gladly take 'Chaos with Ed Miliband'.
     
  14. edzieba

    edzieba Virtual Realist

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    I don't think the Millibands could create chaos if they tried.
     
  15. adidan

    adidan Avatar now in stock for xmas 2019

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    Pffft, you not hear about the time Ed tried to put the wrong staple size in the stapler?

    Carnage.
     
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  16. Broadwater06

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    Controversially remain need someone like Cummings to orchestrate because the sh*t show is across the whole remain camp not just Labour. The remain camp are performing even worse than the referendum campaign - rudderless, divided and clueless.
     
  17. Broadwater06

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    Neither can Johnson. He's also running a divided party and not popular but that doesn't matter because what you need is one person with a simple focused message and a tightly controlled campaign and it's taking off. Whereas remain have multiple leaders with vying interests distrusting one another and campaign is all over the place.
     
  18. Anfield

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    Too late for a campaign.

    First we would need a new PM willing to get on his knees to beg the EU for extension no.3.

    In order to get a new PM a Vote of no Confidence would have to succeed, even that idea looks to be on shaky ground (remember: before parliament went on holiday they actually refused to hold one and when there was one against May even Tories who hated May still voted to keep her).

    Then someone else would need to be able to command the confidence of the House, unless that barrier is passed Johnson can simply set the date for a GE on 1st Nov.

    If you get past that and the EU grants us another extension despite us having completely squandered the previous two...

    Then the fight to find any majority at all for what should happen begins again from scratch: Remain? May WA? Lexit? 2nd Ref? Something else? At that point someone capable of uniting people behind one goal would be useful, but the chance of even getting there has been shot and left to die in a ditch when parliament said no to everything expect when they foolishly made no deal the legal default.
     
  19. Broadwater06

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    Yeah, way too late. Pi**es me off we just didn't learn anything from 2016. It will be useful, nope essential to have a single person leading the remain camp, it cannot continue with multiple parties vying and jockeying for position. But honestly I can't see it happening, there's just too much sh*t going on and too many different interests it will be virtually impossible to pick that particular goal out and stick to it.
     
  20. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    Ken Clarke is probably the one with the greatest chance of success, imo at least.

    Intends to step down at the next GE anyway, so if the plan is unity govt -> extend A50 -> election then he's ideal.
    Won't alienate as many sympathetic tories as corbyn,
    Won't alienate the lib-dems as badly as corbyn, and lets be honest, the lib-dems have snuggled up with the tories once this decade already.
    Basically, he's not corbyn... and the bulk of the problem is no-one wants to be seen as installing corbyn as PM [including many on the labour benches] even if only temporarily.
    As Clarke is still a tory... still gives labour et al. scope to blame everything on the tories should it all go tits up.
     

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