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E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

Discussion in 'Serious' started by TheBlackSwordsMan, 22 Feb 2016.

  1. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

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    £5 to charity on it being either Suella Braverman or Marc Francois:oops:
     
  2. Nexxo

    Nexxo Queue Jumper

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    Mark Francois is a useful idiot. Probably will be Suella Braverman.
     
  3. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    So are you trying to say Braveman isn't an idiot... or isn't useful? [or both]
     
  4. TheBlackSwordsMan

    TheBlackSwordsMan Fellow of the Teelzebub Society

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    I know a stone carver in Ammanford if you need a headstone.
     
  5. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

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    Turns out it is Therese Coffey, one of the Tory landlords who voted against a law that would have compelled landlords to make homes fit for human habitation, also she suggested pensioners should have to pay NI contributions and defended Murdochs phone hacking shenanigans...
     
  6. Nexxo

    Nexxo Queue Jumper

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    Well, the Tories do have a nearly unlimited supply of cold-blooded monsters...

    Meanwhile here is a simple projection of what is likely to happen in the next months...

    [​IMG]

    It's a good thing that people didn't vote for Milliband's coalition of chaos, eh?
     
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  7. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

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    Or to put that chart in a much shorter form:

    In more than three years we haven't been able to rule out one single possible outcome:p
     
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  8. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    So Bercow has announced he's stepping down come October the 31st or sooner if there's a GE before then.
     
  9. fix-the-spade

    fix-the-spade Well-Known Member

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    I know the Speaker is elected by MPs, but right now I am dreading the collection of cronies Johnson and Mogg are lining up to take his place.

    Never has a Tory MP leaving his seat concerned me so much.
     
  10. Anfield

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    Anyone know what the arcane procedure is if Parliament can't agree on who should be Speaker?
    Remember, without an election the Tories have a "majority" of negative 40 something...
     
  11. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    Well 'convention', not that that **** matters any more it seems is the speakership alternates between the two major parties...

    Bercow was a Tory, Martin was Labour, Boothroyd was Tory... etc...

    So, if they stuck to convention it would be a labour speaker with a Tory deputy [and possibly 1 other deputy iirc]
     
  12. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    From the brief amount of reading I've been doing it seems the speaker must be nominated by 12 members, 3 of which must be from an opposing party, parliament votes on the candidates, if someone gets +50% they win, if not the candidate with the least votes is knocked out and everyone votes again (repeat until +50% is reached).
     
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  13. fix-the-spade

    fix-the-spade Well-Known Member

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    It's run like a party leadsership contest. Any MP who can get the nominations (12MPs, at least 3 from parties other than the nominee) can stand. Then parliament votes, in each round if a nominee gets an absolute majority they become speaker. If nobody gets that majority the nominee with the least votes gets eliminated and then they vote again until someone does get that the majority.

    As long as the opposition stay fairly united we won't get a hardline brexiteer for the speaker, in theory at least even if all Johnson's government vote for the same guy they can't get their way (need a majority after all), but it only takes a few idiots in the opposition.

    #Edit, damn you Corky! XD
     
  14. Anfield

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    Well that 50% is the rub isn't it?

    If Labour + SNP + LibDems + a couple independents reject any ideologically pure Brexiteer there is no way to 50%.
    But on the other hand Labour + SNP + a couple independents doesn't get 50% for any Labour candidate (and given how much the LibDems despise Crobyn they'll probably reject any Labour candidate).
     
  15. Byron C

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    A divided parliament with so many independents is a relatively good thing when it comes to selecting a new speaker. It means there's no cohesive government with an overall majority which can put out three-line whips; meaning, the Tories and/or Brexit party can't select an ultra-hardcore Brexiteer and have them be a shoo-in for the position of Speaker. It will have to be someone who can command the confidence of, more or less, the entire house.
     
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  16. adidan

    adidan Guesswork is still work

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    Genius move by Bercow, at least he may make it possible to leave Parliament in the hands of somebody willing to stand up against the Executive.
     
  17. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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  18. fix-the-spade

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    It certainly is, but at least the Prime Minister with no majority is th eleast likely person of all to get his way. My worry is how many of his swivel eyed xenophobes will get seat in the coming general election, they're clearly aiming for the Brexit Party vote and in a lot of places it might be enough.
     
  19. adidan

    adidan Guesswork is still work

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    The longer this goes on the more images of cheering crowds waving flags in Germany in the 1930s plague my mind.
     
  20. RedFlames

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