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E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

Discussion in 'Serious' started by TheBlackSwordsMan, 22 Feb 2016.

  1. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Can we start locking Prime Ministers up in the tower yet? :)
     
  2. adidan

    adidan Guesswork is still work

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    Did I hear right that if it's found against BoJo he'll just re-prorogue?
     
  3. edzieba

    edzieba Virtual Realist

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    To use the BBC's summary:
    This is the Government's advice, the Supreme Court could still specifically demand something else.
     
  4. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    IIRC, there are 2 schools of thought on this -

    A: Parliament remains prorogued because despite the reasoning the Queen has decided to prorogue. That prorogation then ends early [or doesn't] but as it's technically a new session of parliament, the govt basically has nothing to discuss until/unless a Queens Speech happens.

    B: The prorogation is invalid and technically never happened, meaning parliament is technically in recess and can be recalled by the speaker. As it's the same parliamentary session, any existing business [such as the bills that were dropped because of the prorogation] can continue.
     
  5. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    'It's like they haven't been listening'...
     
  6. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

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    Option B kind of implies that the Queen should have passed judgement on the truthfulness of the request by Die Pfeiffe before approving it while option A would keep her neutral.
    So reverse engineering from the stand point that the Queen should be neutral and not meddle in day to day politics I'd have to pick A.
     
  7. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

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    Last weekend it was the Tories providing weekend entertainment by falling apart... this weekend it is the turn of Labour:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lon...-harman-defiant-over-clp-motion-a4242156.html

    And
    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...bid-to-abolish-deputy-leader-tom-watsons-post
     
  8. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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  9. edzieba

    edzieba Virtual Realist

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    Unanimous judgement: Issue is justiciable, and prorogation was unlawful and has been voided.
     
  10. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Just watched Andrew Bridgen and he's spitting feathers, i think I'm more happy about him being annoyed than the judgment. :)
     
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  11. David

    David Take my advice — I’m not using it.

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    Here we go.

    So Bojo will apparently order another suspension. How will that be any less unlawful? Are there different (valid) reasons to prorogue?
     
  12. damien c

    damien c Mad FPS Gamer

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    So am I right in thinking that, they have just basically said that the Queen is irrelevant because the courts can over rule her and that the decision that she made was illegal?

    As for suspending Parliament there is nothing I believe stopping him from doing it again is there?
     
  13. liratheal

    liratheal Sharing is Caring

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    Has anyone got the Benny Hill music on hand?
     
  14. David

    David Take my advice — I’m not using it.

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    News just in - Bojo to appeal to the ECJ :lol:





    No, not really, but nothing would surprise me at this stage
     
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  15. edzieba

    edzieba Virtual Realist

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    No. The advice to the queen was unlawful, but this has no bearing on the Queen's authority (that being rigidly treated as ceremonial). From the judgement itsel:
     
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  16. damien c

    damien c Mad FPS Gamer

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    @edzieba cheers I honestly didn't know hence the question.
     
  17. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    Well i did not see that coming...

    I was expecting it to be a split decision, possibly in the govt's favour...


    Cue the gammonpocalypse...

    And evidently, the court went with School of thought B -

     
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  18. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

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    The Queen isn't supposed to meddle in day to day politics but if advice to her can be unlawful then this ruling strengthens her power to reject whatever lie Boris tells her next?
     
  19. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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  20. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

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    We did it, our current political mess has filled the entire worldwide trends on twatter...

    lol.jpg

    What an achievement:lol:

    On another note, surely the ruling from the Supreme Court makes the decision by Labour to keep Boris trapped in power even more untenable than it was to begin with...
     

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