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E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

Discussion in 'Serious' started by TheBlackSwordsMan, 22 Feb 2016.

  1. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    Remember the promise of frictionless trade post-Brexit? Gove doesn't!
     
  2. David

    David Take my advice — I’m not using it.

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    He doesn't care - by the time the consequences of their actions really bite hard on Britain, he'll be out of government and comfortably seated in whichever directorship he sold his soul for.
     
  3. Nexxo

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    There was a very lively debate, with the "no" side labouring this point specifically, in newspapers, multiple pamphlets etc.

    Then it would say:

    To promote growth and boost world trade in order to:
    • To bring together the peoples of Europe.
    • To raise living standards and improve working conditions.
    • To help the poorest regions of Europe and the rest of the world.
    • To help maintain peace and freedom
     
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    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    --H.L. Mencken
     
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    If it had, the room for the interpretation I pointed out in my previous post would not have been in play in the first place.

    But you knew that already.
     
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    perplekks45 LIKE AN ANIMAL!

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    It's a bit early today, but this thread is popcorn-munching material.
     
  8. Gareth Halfacree

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    Remember when talking about potential food shortages was "Project Fear?"

    Well, about that...







    And the stuff that *is* coming through is coming through too late to help.



    (Yes I'm aware that some supermarket branches seem to be better than others. Give it a week or so, we'll circle back.)
     
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    I think the exception regime the NFU encouraged its members to apply under was an EU compliant process that other member states engaged in frequently as well. But yeah, not good either way if you're a fan of like, the planet we live on.
     
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    adidan Guesswork is still work

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    I would if I could buy popcorn.

    * munches dust *
     
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    I believe, from when the NFU first told its members to lobby the government for this, Greenpeace's figures showed it had been used just 37 times in four years across the whole of the EU. 1,200 NFU members signed the petition. That's a *lot* more, and in a much smaller area.
     
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    But it didn't say that, so it was clear that the EEC was more than just a trade bloc.
     
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    True - looking into it further, the particular pesticides are ones that weren't included in the EU-wide ban but France chose to ban on top and is now walking back (temporarily - I read three years, but I'm on mobile and must admit I haven't bothered to seek out a primary source.)

    I'm concerned that it's the thin end of the wedge, though - there are 1,200 NFU members looking to use neonicitonoids, and they can't all be growing sugar beets...
     
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    Me neither, but I'm being lazy :p
    I only remembered a previous discussion i think on r/unitedkingdom when the letter was first sent and someone mentioned it was doable while in the EU as emergency measures, but I couldn't find any info in my quick google, however the France thing came up.

    Me too, but I was more thinking thin edge for more deregulation in general while thinking of the Hannan "we should bring back carcinogens" BS.

    Edit: Not just us according to The Guardian
     
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    Well there are 3,000 sugar beet farmers / growers in the UK.
     
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    Today I learnded. Had no idea they were split across so many different owners!
     
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    And they're all in trouble. Unusually warm weather has increased the aphid population which bring with them a disease that affects the beets. Meanwhile outside the EU, cane sugar enjoys lower import tariffs, thus creating competition for local growers.
     
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