Build Advice Educated advice for a build - July or wait?

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Zero_UK, 4 Jun 2009.

  1. Zero_UK

    Zero_UK What's a Dremel?

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    Hey, I'm planning on purchasing a full pc build with a budget of 1.5k - However this includes EVERYTHING - apart from speakers *cough*. So everything new will be coming in - down to a mouse mat. I should have enough by late July.

    However do you reckon I should hold onto my wallet till the arrival of i5 & GTX300's?

    At 3dgameman I was told that I shouldn't bother and just stick to getting a E8400 + GTX 260/275. However from the latest news, i5 5ghz overclock on air and cheaper than i7 920 set up seems a little silly to ignore.

    The main purpose of the rig will be for gaming at 1920x1080/1200 (depending if budget ends up on a 24 or 23". But there will also be some smaller areas such as a media pc, moderate photoshop and video editing - but not enough to be worth extra costs for faster load times.

    So do you reckon its worth waiting around for i5 and if its worth while wait for the GTX 300 series 2 months later for DX11, more power or price cuts in the 200 series? or for gaming will LGA 775 maybe a Q9550, GTX 275 and just leave it that?


    Cheers:thumb:
     
  2. Slizza

    Slizza beautiful to demons

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    If you have somthing now that's good enough to hold off a upgrade and you are happy to do that then it might prove wise to wait for the new cpu's and gpu's.
    Nobody know's for sure though.
     
  3. crowmanuk

    crowmanuk It's just for games ... honest !

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    Had the same quandry a few months ago and came to the conclusion that there's never a 'right' time to buy .... but the sooner you do it the sooner you'll enjoy it. If you wait until August or September there will be another reason to wait until November or December. High end PC gear is changing so rapidly at the moment ... but it isn't going to stop ... doesn't make what you buy any worse though.
     
  4. p-dawg86

    p-dawg86 What's a Dremel?

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    I completely agree. I actually can't decide whether to upgrade now or later this year. I say wait for the i5's, 300's, and DX11. If nothing else, the older stuff is going to be even more cheap anyway so it doesn't matter. However, I would assume the DX11 stuff is going to be extremely pricey but since you have a 1500price build, you'll be alright either way.

    Then again, no gaming company is going to use DX11 for the next 6 months (or longer, look at how many people use DX10 and how much of a little difference it is).

    Like he said, theres never a 'right' time, its whenever you feel like it. But I say wait for i5's 'cause then you have a huge amount of options: Am2+, 775, AM3, i7, i5, DX10, DX11 all at once and reviews of the newer equipment to follow.

    The longer you wait, the more DDR3 is going to be worth it to buy and will use its full potential as well.
     
  5. sheninat0r

    sheninat0r What's a Dremel?

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    Waiting never ends. Buy now, have fun, upgrade in a few years and have more fun.
     
  6. Elton

    Elton Officially a Whisky Nerd

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    Personally I'd wait for the GT300, if only because you'll be able to take advantage of DX11.

    I'm still going to stick with my LGA775, until they make the i5 compelling enough of a product.
     
  7. Nicb

    Nicb Let's discuss among ourselves

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    There is a right time to buy when it comes to mid and low end hardware. Never a right time to buy high end sort of speak. It's all about if its worth it to you.

    Example: DDR, It was high, then DDR2 came onto the scene and DDR was cheap. Now it's DDR3 and DDR is expensive again.

    I would get what you want if you can't do with out. It's not like your computer will be weak. It will still be a power house next following years, and not obsolete.

    I believe we are in a era where most software is now catching up. With my Q6600 and GTX 260 I'm done for a while. Let some companies work their issues out.

    I'll build a "mid range" computer one day that has something like the i5 and 300's. :thumb:
     
  8. rainbowbridge

    rainbowbridge Minimodder

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    Out of interest has any one read this months copy of custom Pc, it had a small piece a few pages in about Nvidia's head guy really really laying into Intel.

    Cliff notes (in short..)

    He said, you are straight out lieing that Core i7 offers 80% improvement in "gaming", Nvidia investigated the wounderfull claim and found that Intel only looked at how the futuremark vantage CPU score increased when in actual fact, gaming, saw next to no improvement.

    Core i7 shows "next to zero improvement for gaming".

    Nvidia head honco recommend that you stick with a dual core system and get a GOOD gpu such as a gtx 275.

    Personally I dont really know what to take from that, again personally Id like to see RAPID in step graphical and gaming generation improvements.

    One thing I did read that was MOST INTERESTING is that.

    ...Windows 7 will require intel Virtulization support to provide the XP compatability mode, and clincher is that this special feature is only found in quads above Q8400 I beleive and not found in duo 2s.

    Now THAT is just shocking... basicly a Major feature of Windows 7 is going to require you have a certain level of processor, Thats just outright crucial, im sure people are still today investing plus £500/£600 into computers which even if they have GTX 275 or above (overclocked cpu or not) will not support Windows 7 properly.

    We all know there are going to be issues with compatability in Windows 7 with "older software", well how much % of the market is going to be able to use compatability due to level of hardware, Id say at least 35% are going to be stuck if they want this compatability mode.


    In other words, a Q6600 just got another small nail in its coffin..


    I5 looks like a soild idea, that or a Q9xxxx series but that new will be a i5 series in a few months ?

    I think because of this interesting colilation of the stars (i5, Dirrect X 11 hardware, Windows 7..), now IS a good time to wait...


    Dicusss..
     
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  9. I-E-D

    I-E-D Minimodder

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    I agree, you can never get a high end system at the right time, like the news that Intel were to discontinue the i7 920, but they aren't, all in a few days..

    The lowest GTX 300 IMO will be affordable and may have DX11, so yeah, i would wait for that.

    But with processors, i5 well, you've seen that they can overclock to 5ghz on air :eek:, but they also have a better turbo than the i7, so you win even more by waiting.

    Plus the fact that 2months extra means you have more $$ to spend on your machine.
     
  10. Zero_UK

    Zero_UK What's a Dremel?

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    Cheers for a good arguments on each side. I think I might just wait like I-E-D said - I5's can overclock to 5ghz which I'm sure where all wondering just how well that will preform for games etc, then the DX11 series cards unlike DX10 has a hell of lot more competition going with ATI back in the competitive market. So they can't be that ridicules apart from the highest GPU as the GTX295 is.

    The thing is I wont have the money to do it till mid/late July at least, and if I then wait for the 300 series that's only 4 months at the very most.. I can live with that lol. But I can see where your coming from crow, there's always new things coming out and prices jump left right and center, but its as rainbow said "
    I think because of this interesting colilation of the stars (i5, Dirrect X 11 hardware, Windows 7..)"

    So I'll wait for the benchmark releases etc and decide if to go for LGA 775 Q9xxx or i5. :). Might work on a little case mod whilst I'm waiting lol.
     
  11. Nicb

    Nicb Let's discuss among ourselves

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    I agree with most of what you say, but only some CPU's will be effected, but the Q6600 will make it through this cut. Not an extra nail in the coffin yet. :thumb: My Q6600 made the cut, but my E2200 did not. :(

    This was a decent article about it. The most useful and straight to the point part is here. Anyone not sure what CPU's will be compatible or not should click on this link.

    http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=946&page=2

    Also it says Intel plans to update 5 of it's CPU's. Kind of good news, but who cares if you already bought the old version?
     
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