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News Epic announces new, free Unreal Tournament title

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  1. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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  2. MODZERO

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    This is still a MP FPS game correct.. Only now it'll be 'Pay to Win'? What other 'content' would you be paying for? Maps, guns, skins and abilities... Hmmmm think I'd rather they worked with the community to develop a AAA follow up to the original UT.

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    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    No, they've specifically stated that it won't be a free-to-play model. The main game - which will be an entire UT game, nothing cut out - will be completely free. The marketplace content will be optional, and I would imagine work rather like expansion packs - i.e. non-cosmetic additions to the game will be playable only with other players who also have the same content. Think "new levels" rather than "massively overpowered gun."
     
  4. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Call me suitably confused :confused:
    I get that the game is going to be free, but they say on the wiki linked in the article "When the game is playable, it will be free. Not free to play, just free." So we can download the game for free, but not play it for free. Does that mean subscriptions, or does it mean you can't play it without buying something from the market place first.
     
  5. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    It's Epic's attempt to differentiate it from "Free to Play" (note the capitals), which is often - as in the first comment - taken to mean "Pay to Win." In a Free to Play (F2P) title, there are artificial barriers to progression - real-world time limits combined with ridiculous grinding to progress, usually meaning that going up a level in the game can take weeks or months of your real-world time - which can be removed by paying just a small fee, known as a "microtransaction." Epic is saying the new Unreal Tournament will not use the F2P model; it will be properly free, with no artificial barriers in place. You want to download it and shoot your mates in the face all day, every day? Go ahead. You'll get no prompts to "recharge your energy meter for $1" or "repair your weapon now for $5" or "your player has been running for half an hour and needs to rest: wait 24 hours to play again or buy a shot of adrenaline for just $2," just good ol' classic UT gameplay.

    Now, if a modder releases a level you just have to play - I dunno, perhaps it's a port of de_dust or something - then you might want to stick your hand in your pocket and pay $1 for the privilege. Half of that will go to the modder, half to Epic. You don't have to buy the level, and it's not content that was stripped from the game to sell as DLC later down the line. Also, it means that you can make cash from the game: make your own level, or weapon pack, or skin pack, or whatever, stick it on the marketplace and watch the money roll in. That is a first for an Epic game, and something that could be a real winner.

    Clearer?
     
  6. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    As mud :D There was me thinking Free to Play done what it said on the tin.
    I get the difference between Pay to Win and Free to Play, it just seem very confusing when they mix 'it will be free' in the same sentence as 'Not free to play'
     
  7. Cthippo

    Cthippo Can't mod my way out of a paper bag

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    I'm intrigued by this. Hopefully it will work out well.
     
  8. [USRF]Obiwan

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    yeah sure free to play....

    "You're out of ammo, buy more ammo? (5c per cartridge)"
     
  9. Sketchee

    Sketchee Suddenly, looters! Hundreds of 'em!

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    This sounds wonderful in theory, hope it all works out as intended. This, plus the way you can obtain UE4 for a very reasonable sub cost should hopefully be very encouraging for modders and budding developers, should hopefully give us some exciting stuff to play :D

    I'd love to see it be a massive success, it would be great to see a viable alternative to F2P that doesn't just stiff the consumer.
     
  10. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Team Fortress 2 ?
    Or do people see that as P2W, it seems like that is the model they maybe following.
     
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    Sketchee Suddenly, looters! Hundreds of 'em!

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    I'm not even sure anymore what it is you can buy in TF2, it's been that long since I played it. I guess the difference here is that it took a long time before TF2 became free to own the game. It looks here like Epic are encouraging user created content, which they will then make a profit from. Also sits nicely with me in the wake of a few games recently directly preventing user created content.

    On the other hand, it could be a chaotic disaster but I'll remain optimistic. It's interesting none the less.
     
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    Ok I really don't get this. Are you guys just dumb and don't understand that there are working free 2 play models or are you stuck in the past?
     
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    SMIFFYDUDE Supermodders on my D

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    I'd rather pay for a game and download mods free.
     
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    DotA2 - iirc all the marketplace items are 100% cosmetic...
    Hawken/TF2 - all the non-cosmetic items can be acquired [eventually] through playing the game...

    The way I read this is UT 4/2014 will be paid for [at least partially] through UDK subs and taking a cut on sales from any resulting marketplace...

    EDIT - Even if you offer the content you've made for free [assuming Epic let you], Chances are you'll still need/use UDK to *make* said content either way Epic get paid...
     
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    If that's what the community wants then they can do that! That's the whole point - Epic who famously make good engines but some pretty dodgy games are going to make this with community. It's basically an open source game developed like other open source projects, only with the support of Epic devs and designers. For the UT community this is heaven - in their wildest dreams they can't have hoped Epic would do this.

    Epic will get their money not from UT4 but from other games developed with the engine that people decide to charge for. i.e. everyone can make what they want with UT4 engine, but if you want to charge for it then Epic get a cut. Plenty of examples of games like that (e.g. Red Orchestra, Killing floor started off as free UT2004 mods but became pay for games).
     
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    I think maybe that they can generate a decent income from what Valve is doing with the 'box' thang its got going on in CSGO. Having a box drop in game after a match and selling you a 'key' to open it at the princely sum of £1.50 to open the box and get a random 'drop' . That can either be used by yourself OR sold on the community forums.

    From what i can see people go MAD for new skins even for the same guns that shoot the same bullets and it makes bugger all differance. I can see that they make far far more money from this over the lifetime period of the game then the cost of buying it and getting freebies in the first place ..... or is it just me???
     
  17. Kruelnesws

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    Omg I want it again!
     
  18. DriftCarl

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    OK so their U4 engine is actually really good. They have already built the tools required to make pretty much any game with ease. Their developers could probably throw together a UT game extreemly easily, if not already almost complete. They must have made something while they were developing the U4 engine.

    They will sell map packs at like $5.99 or something, those map packs will be made by the community using their tools. Last time I checked, you had to purchase their U4 engine tools and also there is a subscription for it. So they will make money from that too.

    I have been gagging for a new UT game for years, so I am looking forward to it. Hopefully they will have a slower method of getting map packs, kind of like what league of legends has to buy champions.
     
  19. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    You ain't kidding they go mad for them.
    Valve have gone on record to say they paid out $10.2 million to item creators for TF2 and DOA2 in 2013, now IDK what percentage the item creator gets from a selling items, versus how much Valve gets, but i think it's safe to say they are both earning good money from it.
     
  20. mi1ez

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    I thought TF2 was a P4H (Pay for Hats) model?
     

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