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News Epic: "Wii is a virus"

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Tim S, 21 Apr 2008.

  1. Lepermessiah

    Lepermessiah New Member

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    In some aspects I agree with him, the wii is a gimmick, BUt, his comments are way to strong and ignorant, Epic really are arrogant, and think people actually care what they have to say. One of the most hated developers by their own stupid comments. Wii is for casual gamers, we all know that.
     
  2. devdevil85

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    just played Brawl last night and I had a great time playing, but it's been months since my friend's turned it on....ever since Galaxy.....but we're more "hardcore" than "casual"......playing Warhawk atleast an hour anytime I come over.....but either way Epic does have a point....people buy it because it's different and once they play that fun game (or two) the system's turned off until another Nintendo-made game debuts....
     
  3. lewchenko

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    A number of people here this Epic is "Whoa... out of line !" but to be honest I actually agree with them this time. Other than motion controls, any other aspect of a game developed on the Wii is a step backwards (eg. physics, life like models for graphics and expressions, AI ability, depth of world game environments)... all these elements and many more are a subset of what could be achieved on a PC, 360 or a PS3.

    In these areas, the Wii is setting back game development by a generation by lacking the power so actually make notable advances. That is a fact.
     
  4. DougEdey

    DougEdey I pwn all your storage

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    No, that is not a fact. The wii is forcing new and innovative ideas into a market which is churning out sequel after sequel with minimal IPs. As someone stated today, in order to produce a new AAA IP you need millions of dollars, for the Wii, you need a significant amount less.
     
  5. badders

    badders Neuken in de Keuken

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    I half agree with you Lewchenko, but not completely. The Wii may be a step back in the ways that you mentioned, but it's also a step forward in getting people to play video games who would never, ever have thought about doing so beforehand.

    The wii simply appeals to a broader market. This bloke from Epic doesn't seem to get that.
     
  6. Mister_Tad

    Mister_Tad Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    Exactly what DougEdey said.

    Wii forces the developer to concentrate on gameplay, which is far more difficult to get right than graphics are. I'm not saying that every game on the Wii has great gamplay, far from it, but none of them have pretty graphics to fall back on.

    I'm all for shiny graphics, but if the gameplay is a bit shabby, then all of the bling in the world isn't going to make it worth playing. This obsession with cutting edge graphics is just getting silly. Just look at how many games in this thread are >10 years old
     
  7. wuyanxu

    wuyanxu still wants Homeworld 3

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    same here and good point.

    what Epic missed is fun gameplay and easy to use menu. who are they to say if they cannot get their root platform right? and how can they criticize Wii when they can only boast about their UE3?

    get a life and get some clue, people don't want super rich graphics like UE3, people want cool games like Rayman Raving Rabbits (yes, i play this more than UT3)
     
  8. Mcmonopoly

    Mcmonopoly What now?!

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    So in your point of view, the only real advancements have to come in the form of graphical and technological achievements?!

    Also developers have/had a really hard time to code games for the PS3 since the HW was so different and new. In the case of the Wii, devs could just continue to code as they did for the GC ( to some extent), and still have a different platform to work with, which now gets 20x the userbase the GC had.

    IMO Epic are GFX engine builders/sellers that come up with different skins for every iterations of the same engine since the original UT.

    Also, Epic's statement makes me think of the kind of comments that narrow minded people make when they get cornered in a conversation they can't handle (you know the kind of people that think that "You know what you're wrong and you suck" is a valid argument).

    And they even try to make us believe that GoW is the way of the future WTF!!! I played that PoS on the PC since I got that for FREE, and even then I thought that it was the most linear/railed game I've ever played. Freaking waste of time.

    Also the Wii was able to bring back Square/Enix to the Nintendo camp, and that's no small feat in itself. The devs are popping new games steadily right now so the wild usage swings users might experience now will long be gone come summer. With games like The Force unleashed and Boom Blox and such entering the Wii market, I'm curious to see what platform will garner the best sales for the multi-platform games coming soon.

    So in a nutshell moot point for Epic, again.
     
  9. themax

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    Square was supporting Nintendo before the Wii with Crystal Chronicles, and also on DS so the Wii did not bring Square back to the table.
     
  10. Mcmonopoly

    Mcmonopoly What now?!

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    Sorry, honest mistake, but again, I still believe that Nintendo is doing great things with the new console, and they try to appeal to every market segment they can (Manhunt 2 anyone?).
     
  11. leviathan18

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    super smash is the best thing ever lol

    my friend number to play super smash is axel 4983-5055-2848
     
  12. iwog

    iwog Linux cursed

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    He's just jealous cos he cant get a Wii.

    But seriously he's missing the point of the Wii. I'm pretty sure Nintendo have done the right thing with both the Wii and the DS by breeding a new generation of gamers by making games simple again. We've all grown up on games and remember consoles that had only 2 buttons and FUN games. A good story to illustrate this is that i cant get my GF to play PES2008 on the PS2 as there are too many buttons, but if i crack out the old Sega Megadrive which has a total of 3 buttons she's well away. If you then look at the Wii it has half the number of buttons and worse graphics than the 360 or PS3 and yet its alot more fun to play. Including numchuck, I count 3 main buttons, 2 kinds of waggle, 1 point, 1 d-pad and 1 joystick, now this seems alot but if the designers have done their job properly the waggle and point should seem natural to the game. If you then contrast this to the 360 or PS3 there are 4 shoulder buttons, 4 (6 for 360) face buttons, 2 joysticks+click and 1 d-pad which is alot more to remember if you're just starting out playing consoles.

    I'm sorry if that was kinda long winded but basically, games are too complicated and rely too much on graphics now to be really fun. Who remembers how much fun Golden Axe and Streets of Fury were? Remember how bad the graphics were and how few controls we had? The obvious proof that these games are still as good as modern ones is the flourishing virtual console markets currently. But can you really say that 10 years from now you'd be re-buying the current generation of games?

    If i've made any errors please inform me, there's a good chance i've miscounted buttons or got names wrong.
     
  13. MrBurritoMan

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    Stupid capitalism, and how it works so well. man who would have thought that when the market demanded something new, a company provides it, and the public gobbles it up; HOW DARE THEY!!

    Comrade! we should take their profits for the betterment of the people!! we should punish these capitalist pigs for being so crafty and cunning. they are practically stealing our money when we walk into the store and hand over our hard earned cash for their product. man what trickery, what slide of hand.

    oh man, socialism rhetoric at its best.

    congratulations to Nintendo, i am happy they have designed a product that public is gobbling up. i hope the guys in charge of the wii project make MILLIONS! they deserve it, they have allowed Nintendo to earn billions and re-insert themselves into the console race.

    think about it, they could have gone the PS3 route. they could have expended their entire R&D department on shiny cases and fancy GPUs. what did they choose to do instead? they took a risk on developing something new. which ended up paying off rather well.

    congratulations Nintendo.

    that guy is probably just "butt hurt" because his company designs games for "typical consoles" like the xbox360 and PS3. with steady surge of interest for the wii, which uses games no where close to what his company produces, i am sure he is worried.

    think about it, you own a company which produces product W. you see another company develop product V. while much like your own product their product is slightly different in that it appeals to a wider market. kids, parents, aunts, uncles, and even grandparents are wanting to purchase their product while only a small corner of the market wants yours.

    its just a simple sour grapes complex, someone should give him a blanket and warm bottle before he gets too fussy.
     
  14. completemadness

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    Epic seems to be digging their own grave, but still, The wii definitely isn't the most amazing platform since sliced bread, and it is a little "Gimmicky"

    However, it is still the best social games platform, and the platform with the most inginuative (however that's spelt) games
    a lot of the game on 360/PS3 are available on PC (and could easily made to be) and also most of the games would benefit from a Keyboard & Mouse

    However, the wii has the most unique games, and ones that really make use of the platform, And Nintendo games are pretty dang good

    OFC there is lots of crap on the wii, there is for every console, but i believe the Wii has the most "gems" out of the lot
     
  15. Lepermessiah

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    The Wii is not the best console around, has a lot of crap games, but man, I hate Epic, what idiots.
     
  16. D3s3rt_F0x

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    He speaks the truth, I've said this since it came out.

    Was looking in game shops today at shelves and thinking, "wheres the good games?", there was nothing there that stood out and said play me and the games people tell me to play have been out on the gamecube but changed ever so slightly.....mario.....mario kart......zelda? Where have I seen these before?
     
  17. Mister_Tad

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    Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess are a couple of the best games on any platform, not just the Wii. Who cares if its a continuation of a series - nay - a legacy?
     
  18. yodasarmpit

    yodasarmpit No longer the other Brett.

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    Having never previously bought a Nintendo console that matters not to me.
     
  19. Mister_Tad

    Mister_Tad Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    Having had all of Nintendo's previous consoles, that matters not to me.
    In fact, Link to the Past and Ocarina of Time are both in my top 5 of all time.

    In fact, that "seen it before" argument is ridiculous. All of the headliners on the PS3 and 360 are continuations in a series as well!
     
  20. UncertainGod

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    As much as I'm not a fan of the Wii for the very same reasons he has mentioned, it does seem that epic are going round platform to platform and deriding them.
     
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