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Ever been stopped by the Fuzz?

Discussion in 'Photography, Art & Design' started by Cyprio, 17 Apr 2008.

  1. Ninja_182

    Ninja_182 Enginerd!

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    I stopped to chat to someone outside a school once with my slr round my neck.... got asked to move along by a teacher, not quite fuzz but still, it was unusual as I had no idea why initially.
     
  2. mvagusta

    mvagusta Did a skid that went for two weeks.

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    They are probably just trying to prevent child abusers or people like that from taking pics.
     
  3. Cyprio

    Cyprio G5 Supermodder

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    Same arguement applies as before - if you were a peadophile would you really stand outside a school with a dSLR and take pics!!! :)
     
  4. Vers

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    Actually, yes. Back in my elementary school days we had an art professor who used to have a select few students stay after class in order to help clean up. This meant missing the beginning of your next class, so of course everyone always wanted to get picked...but I never understood why he would always pick just girls a majority of the time. And so it turns out that Mr. Fritch was into photography as well, namely of little girls in their little dresses sitting on a table with their chins on their knees. And so it made sense.

    It is people and instances such as those why I am reluctant to take candid images of children I don't know.
     
  5. cogitoergosum

    cogitoergosum New Member

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    I wander around with my Olympus E510 and my little panasonic pocket cam all the time. Heck, most of the time I have at least 2 if not 3 still cameras and 1 camcorder within easy reach. I actually get stopped quite often.

    Last time was when I was at Dulles Airport. I was shooting planes as they were coming in and taking off while waiting for a friends flight to arrive. I wasn't bothering anyone nor was I in the way but two security guards escorted me into a back room. They started questioning me, the typical "Why are you taking pictures? What are your intentions?" and then told me they would have to confiscate my camera(s). I told them no and stood my ground and managed to get a supervisor in there and explained it all. After doing some sort of "background check", i.e. holding me in a room while they went and jerked off somewhere, they let me go without ever touching my gear. Made me late to pick up my friend though.
     
  6. kno3

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    My dad once got arrested for taking a night photo of a bridge in Dusseldorf, back in the 70s. He setup the camera on a tripod on the banks of the river, long exposure, and then walked down the bridge firing off flashes. As he got to the other side some officer jumped out and started shouting, cuffed him and threw him in a van, with no questioning what he was doing! Took a photographer friend who was also friendly with the police to come down and explain to the officers what he was doing, as they wouldn't believe what he was saying. Eventually they let him out after the night and most of the next day in a cell. No idea what they thought he was doing! When he went back to the river his lovely Leica camera and lens was gone, obviously never got any money off the police for it.

    Just shows how suspicious photography can be from someone looking in who is not in the know. That couldn't happen today, but the suspicion will still be there.
     
  7. Nexxo

    Nexxo Queue Jumper

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    Exactly. But unfortunately, the "War on Terror™" has always been about stereotypical perceptions (this being about in-group/out-group conflict, after all) rather than objective reality. It's about projecting the bogeyman.

    The bogeyman lurks around our children's playground with a telezoom lens (and a bag of spiked sweets). He is on nodding acquaintance terms with the drug pusher who is trying to get the primary school kids hooked (there's big money to be made from this market, after all).

    The bogeyman plots his terrorism by obsessively detailed photography taken in plain view, with a huge professional-grade SLR, of the next public place he is going to blow up. He mixes explosives from liquids smuggled on board the airplane in soda bottles. He hides terrible weapons of mass destruction in his desert bunkers and uranium in his local mosque. He has large sacks of fertiliser hidden in his garage. He has a dark skin, wears a long black beard and speaks broken English with a dodgy accent.
     
  8. OleJ

    OleJ Me!

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    Very well phrased. I'm just so sickened by it that I'm lost for words.

    The fight for democracy is on in your neighborhood and it's all about voicing your rights and not have them bulldozed down by ignorance. If we don't guard our freedoms from our fears then terror is the name of our state.

    I think I'll stay out of this thread now as the subject is all too exhilarating for me :)
     
  9. mvagusta

    mvagusta Did a skid that went for two weeks.

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    You know this bogeyman is lurking around schools, is making bombs and has a dodgy accent so i assume you have alerted the authorities!!!
     
  10. FragileSocks

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    With the current state of tension whether we are within our rights or not, it would seem only sensible after hearing these stories to be aware of how others may perceive what we are doing and to where ever possible get permission before taking photographs. Obviously if you are on the street then there is no one to ask, but there are occasions where it is in every ones best interest to do so.

    It is a horrible position we find ourselves in where such security measures seem necessary, but I guess for the time being we will just have to live with them or else find ourselves under unwanted and sometimes costly scrutiny. So many troubles infect our way of living in this current age, it is no wonder that so many people, especially those employed for our safety are particularly on guard and have a justifiable attitude of better safe than sorry.

    Of course I am not saying that it is right to stop people on the street just because they carry a camera, but that I can kind of sympathise with the seemingly paranoid behaviour of those employed to protect us and our children. If we have nothing to hide we have nothing to worry about and if we have permission to photograph somewhere we are unlikely to get into trouble.
     
  11. Sasquatch

    Sasquatch May the lag be with you.

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    Apart from being an amateur photographer im also a securityguard by trade, so i can see a bit of both sides of the issieu.

    There are lots of situations wich are just bound to get u some quality 1 on 1 time with either police or security ie large industrial sites (especially up close), govrnment buildings and even some events.

    When im working, wherever it may be, and i see a guy with a dslr walkring about i will be asking him what he is taking pics of, regardless of whether i have any authority on the spot where he is. (not sure about the rest of the world, but in the Netherlands a securityguard is just a civilian 90% of the time, the other 10% consists of verry specific authority ie in harbours/airports or at parkinglots (the infamous metermaid)).

    If the individual is on "my terrain" and he's not supposed to be, ill ask him to delete the pictures and go away or wait for the boys in blue to pick him up for trespassing or any other law he might have broken.

    If however he is on public property, ill just ask to see the pictures and talk about the gear (just out of genuine interrest).
    Ill have no right to demand anything from him or to send him away. Remember, im just a civi with bad fashion taste when on public domain, the uniform is just corporate clothing, nothing more.


    Iv been stopped and asked to delete and go somewhere else by security a few times, but as long as im not doing anything illegal i wont have any of that.
    Ill usually show them the pics as a sign of good will, but if they give me an attitude ill simply state my rights (and theirs) and tell them that if they want to make a stand they should call the police (they never do).


    Unfortunatly most ppl dont know what their rights are and/or are easily impressed by a uniform and some bigtalk.

    My advice would be to show some goodwill and stay polite but deleting anything is out of the question and if anyone wants to take you to a backroom u should call the police yourself!

    The war on terror wont be won by terrorising ur own ppl...
     
  12. Shadowed_fury

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    We lost our privacy long ago it seems.
     
  13. Moriquendi

    Moriquendi Bit Tech Biker

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    A security guard came and told two blokes that they werent allowed to use tripods on Clifton bridge but ignored my gorillapod settling for trying to intimidate me with a big torch. I really hate abuse of authority and abuse of non-existant authority is even worse.

    Moriquendi
     
  14. Smilodon

    Smilodon The Antagonist

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    Why aren't you allowed to use tripods on a bridge? :confused:
     
  15. Moriquendi

    Moriquendi Bit Tech Biker

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    its a commercial thing, the bridge is private property, owned by a corp and since its a landmark they make money from selling postcards of it as well as charging people to cross. I guess the tripod thing is to allow tourists to take snaps but prevent professionals from taking pics to sell and undermining their profits. Having said that you cant really take great pics of the bridge from on the bridge.

    Moriquendi
     
  16. Fr4nk

    Fr4nk Tyrannosaurus Alan !

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    You can barely use a tripod anywhere in London, its so so annyoing.

    *sigh*
     
  17. cpu121

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    Where do those photographs come from? Even if the photographer has no intention of committing a terrorist act or knowledgely helping someone else to do so, their photos, if published on the web, could be used by someone else without their knowledge. Hence even if you aren't a terrorist, the police wouldn't be wasting their time if the shots are never published thus making an actual would-be terrorist's job slightly more difficult if you see what I mean.
     
  18. OleJ

    OleJ Me!

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    Hence why we should make a ban on kitchen knifes. They are potential lethal weapons. Also vacation pictures, those are as you hint an indirect threat to the stability of our society.

    :eyebrow:
     
  19. freedom810

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    I havent got a camera yet but on my work experience i did some filming in birmingham. A security guard came up to me and the adult i was with while we were filming the mailbox. He said we couldnt use a trypod at all but we could film it from the outside. Turns out all he had to do was fill out one silly form and he could shoot wherever he wanted too. Fun day out for work exp. though :D
     

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