Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Cutter McJ1b, 25 Jan 2010.
Hmmm... this or the Panzerbox?
Bravo for responding this way. We really do appreciate the "feedback friendly" way you guys seem to do things. Its like you just know what we want... kinda creepy really.
I think Jenny makes a good point about the GPU cooler and the two step review - painful as it is for BT to implement.
I don't have a problem with the way cases are reviewed. For me, the important thing is the quality of the review and the depth of information delivered; pointing out fatal flaws or build quality issues and so on.
Quite rightly, others disagree, so I think it would be fair to review it, and score it as is, then add additional info on how it perfoms with fans added. But, that performance should have no impact on the original scores for value and performance etc.. because that score represents what the manufacturer supplies, at the list price.
Thanks Bit-tech, good work! You are right in arguing that these results may be true for every case out there. However, this one was kinda special with the "perfect" interior, and so many cooling slots and spot on price-tag. It will likely be the next build for many of us, or atleast me, if I don't win the lottery and goes for the Lian-Li x1000 or whatsitsname.
More thanks from here too. Really appreciate the retest.
Thanks this was rele a great help and I am getting it for my next build.
you are idiots. bt is testing for the worst possible thermal situation, not your optimised ladyboy setups.
learn 2 science.
What's an "optimised ladyboy"? Does it involve some sort of package deal?
Nice follow up to the case review, btw. Cheers.
I gotta to agree with jenny and others. BT absolutely should carry on doing an 'out of the box/as it comes' review. But there also needs to be a 'here's what you could have won/see where the manufacturer skimpt' section.
It's a generalisation I know, but it seems most cases reviewed on BT seem to fall down on the cooling! But whether that is by design or by a lack of fans is never investigated. Now which is surely worth discovering as it must be the Manufacturers expect the consumer to fit extra fans because the type of consumers these cases are aimed at would do that.
It's entirely down to design - the Antec 300 (which we've not actually reviewed online) is an absolute beast when it comes to thermals despite shipping with just 2 fans because airflow from the front is totally unobstructed by drive bay mounts. Conversely we've seen cases with similar exhaust setups but with a much more obscured intake perform much worse.
Similarly, big huge (240mm) fans are very effective (CM HAF, ATCS) thanks to decent static pressure and less onstructions allowing the direct airflow to penetrate further into the case.
Cover any case in fans and you'll get great performance - the trick is to do so with fewer fans, or in silence, which is a pretty tough ask.
bit more info please
All I want to know is whats the least I need to spend and on what components, in order to get a quality system which will fulfills all of the pre-requisites of what i'll be using the pc for and with the most current/near future software in said field.....which in my case is music production.
Is there a site that offers this sort of information for those of us that want to build a pc to cut out the cost of the retailer, without the need to become a current technology specialist and having to do weeks of research into manufactuers, chipsets, threading, qpi, stepping, etc etc, and how each one impacts the chosen task?
Regarding the article, how was noise performance after additional fans where added?
Great to see you actually tested with extra case fans installed. I found it odd that the original review did not include that. I am aware that the case doesn't come with all the fan bays filled, but any mid-high range system would need them installed - for sure.
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