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Hardware Fractal Design Define XL Review

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Claave, 19 Nov 2010.

  1. Valinor

    Valinor What's a Dremel?

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    As we're on a "let's be picky about spelling and grammar" theme (like most of the comments I've looked at), then you may want to change the "you loved the cae" in the 2nd line to "you loved the case".

    I really like the design (looks better than my P180 as it doesn't have the strange fan thingy on the top), but would go for the R3 if I was upgrading.
     
  2. Phoenixlight

    Phoenixlight What's a Dremel?

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    Oh come on, the small little vent is very subtle I really wouldn't worry about it.
     
  3. xaser04

    xaser04 Ba Ba Ba BANANA!

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    Excellent, thanks for that.

    I read that line to read HD5870 rather than HD5970. That's what happens when you skim read an article and go straight to the comments.
     
  4. Pierre

    Pierre What's a Dremel?

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    I am let down by the review...

    ...it seems rather basic, even if one were to stick to the "test it as it comes" rationale...

    Besides that, you have a large hdd storage case in your disposal and you test it with a single hdd? You believe this is the target group of the case, a gamer without hdds?

    No hdd storage testing (with regard to noise and temperature), no review of the functionality of the lower department dividers, the upper (not for cable routing actually) and the middle ones, not much details on cable routing and space, apart from over-insistence on the lacking length of you psu cable.

    Moreover, the motherboard cut-out cover can be left open, if I'm not mistaken...

    I think this is a poorly thought through and lacking, an indeed hasty review...I knew it was coming, I had been expecting it, checking the webpage every day and yet, because it is so mediocre it does not help me in my decision whether or not to buy the case...
    I'll have to wait for a more proper and in-depth review, because this one rather approximates a presentation...
     
  5. Halk

    Halk What's a Dremel?

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    I've found Bit Tech case reviews to be the most useful around, particularly the comparison table which I don't believe has any equal. I've just bought the R3 as a replacement case, and it's purely down to the review here that's given me enough confidence in the product to buy it over the Corsair 600T.

    What I would request you consider though is adding more fans to cases.

    For various reasons manufacturers position their cases at the market in different price points, and in order to hit those price points they will sometimes leave fans out. For this particular case it seems they only fitted two out of a possible 4 fans (not sure on those numbers!). I personally have stacks of fans kicking around as spares, and I'm quite sure most people either have spare fans or would have no issue buying extra fans if the cooling performance improved. While it is fair, in many ways, to punish a manufacturer for selling a case that's better with 4 fans with only 2 fitted... what people will want to know is which is the best case for cooling, even if you do have to fill the blanks.

    What I don't know at this stage is if the case is better with extra fans, or if it's only a slight improvement. Regardless of which for my purposes it's going to be just spanky anyway, but I'm quite sure other people would disregard this case because it's not up there with the Dark Fleet and Fortress for cooling. What I believe makes my arguement is that people aren't as concerned with price as you might think when buying a case. In my struggle to assemble as much information as possible to choose a case I've found that like myself people are comparing the £130 600T with the £80 R3 and the £200 Fortress with little or no regard to the price difference. From my perspective money is a very small concern.

    So I would have liked to have seen two rows in the tables, one as Fractal Design R3 (Stock fans) and the second as Frac tal Design R3 (Extra Fans).

    Keep up the hard work on the case reviews!
     
  6. ProfQ

    ProfQ What's a Dremel?

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    I've actually bought this XL case based on this Review and the two apparent issues with it.

    Both, IMHO are rather simple to fix or deal with. Things that we all tend to mod at will. But the looks and 'silence is golden' approach by Fractal beats most out there for me.

    I agree that this review would have been more useful if testing with extra fans, and more efficient fans, had been conducted by bit-tech. But in my estimation, this review was all I needed, an honest representation of what the case manufacturer is actually selling. But Fractal has given us a case with the XL that has what it needs at the given price point, and enough flexibility to take it where you want it to be. Expecting that the case will be 1000% of what each individual wants or hopes off the factory floor is not realistic.

    For my build, that will have a bunch of hard drives, I've put aside a few extra fans, a 140, and a couple of 120mm, as well as a Fan controller to play with until I find my optimal setup. Will also have to play a bit with the airflow due to the cavernous space. But the case, on looks silence and quality are an excellent starting point, and deliver as promised. That was my tipping point for this price range.

    Totally agree with Halk, "Keep up the hard work on the case reviews!"

    And thanks for an honest review and excellent graphics.
     
  7. TheQuadFather

    TheQuadFather What's a Dremel?

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    that roof fan is a terrible idea, mounting at an angle like that makes on side of the bearings wear down faster than the other and makes a very irritating noise, and yes i know this from experience.
     
  8. Guest-23315

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    I've just got an XL, and my issues with it are:

    Mobo mounts too close to the floor, and its impossible to route cables behind the board.

    My mobo has its EPS connector right where the 180mm fan is, and its difficult to connect it up

    These could all be fixed by 5 mins with a dremel, but I can't be bother at the mo.

    I got it for £85 off Scan, but I dont think I would have stretched to the original £120 asking price.
     
  9. keiff_hardcore

    keiff_hardcore What's a Dremel?

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    If they made the mobo studs taller, used a turbine fan for the top, and put a wiring grommet in the top of the p/s chamber this case would be awesome...
     
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