News Gates happy to watch pirated video

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  1. WilHarris

    WilHarris Just another nobody Moderator

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  2. Spaced_invader

    Spaced_invader What's a Dremel?

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    well he certainly can't use the it's expensive and i'm a student excuse lol
     
  3. EK-MDi

    EK-MDi What's a Dremel?

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    The reason these people at the top of technology, like Bill Gates, who are enthusiasts just as us, "screw it up with DRM rubbish", is because other companies, such as in the music and film industry, enforce it. It's not their fault and they don't particularly wish to embed it into their systems, and they don't support this. Didn't you know that Bill Gates hates DRM? Because if you didn't, I'm surprised. You guys should know this already.

    Take for example, HDCP being required for output use on your display with Vista in order to watch HD movies in HD. They didn't just decide out of nowhere: "oh, why don't we do a favour for the movie guys, and put some more DRM in there". The film companies, whoever it may be, are making them put it in legally, just as with the other next generation operating systems, i.e. Mac Leopard.
     
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  4. Paolo

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    I think Gates might have a lot of surprising opinions on topics we geeks hold dear but since he was the figurehead for M$, he couldn't risk the fortunes of the company by sharing his true feelings.

    Now he's stepping down (although still very influential), we might get to see another side of Gates, who knows!

    Paolo
     
  5. Firehed

    Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match.

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    FFS stop blaming Vista. Any and every OS - including the Linux-based standalone HD-DVD players - will/does require HDCP for full resolution. It's entirely the industry's fault, and we're all looking to blame MS. If it didn't do that, you'd just be complaining that you can't watch protected HD content.
    (that goes for everyone, not just you - but I'm thoroughly sick of hearing it)
     
  6. Paradigm Shifter

    Paradigm Shifter de nihilo nihil fit

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    I don't think EK-MDi was blaming Vista - although maybe I read his post wrong. :) I think it was basically saying that Vista has HDCP etc in it because if it didn't, you wouldn't be able to play HD-DVD, Blu-ray etc on it. Since MS are trying to make Windows the dominant force in the HTPC area as well as everywhere else, it's the only sensible thing to do... because the movie companies and corporations won't play ball otherwise.

    ...

    Now, on to the news itself... this is quite funny, in a way. "So you're a pirate?" "Piracy is a strong way of putting it. But yes." :hehe:
     
  7. ChromeX

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    Who gives a crap, really? So he watched some physics letures and other crappy stuff its hardly mass piracy is it!
     
  8. Callum

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    Well you didn't even hear it this time. :p

    He said: The film companies, whoever it may be, are making them put it in legally, just as with other next generation operating systems, i.e. Mac Leopard.

    I find that funny. But then I've always believed that MS wasn't as against piracy as it made out. A massive amount of its market share must come from pirated copies.
     
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    PMSL!!!

    I wish they'd just forget the whole DRM thing.
    The number of users that pay for stuff from allofmp3 just goes to show that if they made the content available for download at a reasonable price, people would pay.

    DRM is doomed to fail anyway.
    If you think about it, DRM encrypts the content to prevent copying etc.
    Then they provide you the way of decrypting the content so you can play the content you bought.
    So they basically give you encrypted content and the key to decrypt it.

    So much greed driving the music industry... :(
     
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    Exactly! Granted it's probably a b1tch to figure out how and where to extract the keys and to actually *do* anything useful with them, but once the all-knowing hacker community starts getting their sticky fingers in there we'll eventually have some form of kit to bypass it - whether its a dongle that fits between your HDMI cable and machine or.. whatever.

    But you're right - it is doomed to fail simply cos it's not in the consumer's best interest.
     
  11. ch424

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    Firehed, check out the link in cpemma's sig.

    Is Gates a hypocrite? Possibly: from what the article says, he just saw the rip and watched it, he didn't think "Hmm, I want to watch film n, I'll try and download it off youtube". I mean, if there's a shop selling TVs and you watch what's on for a few minutes, are you stealing?

    ch424
     
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    My prediction is that within 6months to a year after vista comes out there will be some easy to use (free) apps made to circumvent DRM all together. HDCP encryption has alreay been cracked by a person who didn't even have access to the device because the industry was stupid and released too much data about it. How well does that bode for the future of DRM in general.
     
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    you mean like this one or this one or even this one?

    its doomed to fail not because its not in the consumers best interest, but simply because its *accessable*. take dvd's and css, it took a while to break because it took people a long time to get around the code, to reverse engineer it. the hdcp cables, (which i am no expert on), just have a little 'this cable is secure' chip inside them, as far as i know, so the player knows its a secure cable. how many people on this forum have replaced a cable, made their own, figured out how to get a round plug in a square socket.... and we are just ametures! (and i mean amatures in that we dont do this stuff for a living, just for fun, obviously some of us are very skilled). hardware protection is *always* easy to crack, simply because there are always people with the knowledge to do it.


    but on-topic, hmmm, bill watches 'stolen' video's on youtube?! CALL THE MPAA! they can sue him for enough money to pay for enough lawyers to sue the world!
     
  14. EK-MDi

    EK-MDi What's a Dremel?

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    Precisely what everyone else said. I wasn't blaming Vista. LOL, you really should read a post properly before you quote it.
     
  15. DXR_13KE

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    exactly what i was thinking :D
     
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    Can big corporate CEOs actually be human beings with hearts and souls but are confound by their duties and shareholders to be evil?

    Nah.
     
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    The thing is, we all know if asked he would pay and we all know if sued he would win. Rich people don't go to jail in America, and people as rich as him, I don't think anyone will care.
     
  18. eddtox

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    My problem is that if one of us said the same thing in an interview we weuld have the **AAs on our backs quicker than we could say Bill. As for DRM, theres a very good way to get around it: DO NOT BUY DRM INFECTED CONTENT! (and/or other products from companies who advocate the use of DRM)

    -ed out
     
  19. ch424

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    eddtox, which films have you seen, and what music do you listen to?

    I'd be interested to know which studios don't advocate DRM!

    ch424
     
  20. Shpoon

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    I could care less, that man is doing so much to help people in this world...so meh.
     
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