How many people here think Brown should resign as PM? My opinion? Yes he should, (obviously) BUT, more pertinantly WHO would take over? It's not like we have an abundance of candidates. I mean, how did they get to their positions in the first place? If we genunly did know, would we vote for them? I'm 27 now and I haven't seen a pm I've even remotely had any respect for. Are there any true leaders out there, who actually do want to serve this spent land? Someone with enough humility to at least admit we need radical chances, or at least someone who could even answer a direct question, directly? British parliment is starting to remind me of some sort of secret club with no transparecny whatsoever, AND they'll probably get away with it mores to the point in recent light of the expenses drama. They should be locked up the same way we would. Apologies, that turned into a bit of a rant!lol
i dont think it will make any difference if he resigns. just be replaced with someone exactly the same. Labour, conservative its all the same. All im seeing at the minute is 1 party criticize another. ooo you did this, ooo you doing that, just seems like a big kiddy tantrum. i dont care too much for whos in charge since they all do the same thing anyway and look out for people in power not your average joe on the street. The conservatives are blaming labour for the mess we are in now. but its not like labour decide everything, MPs vote on stuff and parliament is not made entirely of labour supporters. If the conservatives were in power im sure we would be in the same situation and labour blaming them for the mess we are in.
Sod getting rid of Brown, get rid of all of them. The sooner we can have a general election the better!
Getting rid of Brown would just be symptom management. Meanwhile the rot continues to fester. Vote Lib Dems? They haven't had a crack at it yet and let's face it, they couldn't do any worse than the Tories or New Labour.
I think Brown should go. But like gar said, who would take over? The main problem is the general election is usually a 2 maybe 3 horse race. Voting for alternative parties is pretty much a wasted vote. What we really need is someone with some balls behind the wheel, the pick of politicians we have at the moment are the most un-charismatic, dull, lack vision and worse than that weak. Look how Obama has caused such a stir in the US the whole country gets geared up for elections. I just don’t think its right me only being 20 years old to have already lost faith in the country and the way it’s governed.
That's the problem here. Everyone hates the main parties at the moment - which could mean a lot of votes for mickey mouse parties, or worse. Apparently the BNP thinks its their time to rise.
In hard times the extremists get more of a foothold, desperate times and all that. If the BNP get anywhere close to power I'd be surprised and disgusted in equal measure tbh.
Thats the thing. Does your vote (I am from N Ireland so can't vote) really decide. You've got a very select option and they are all very good at keeping us down! I just don't think we have any power as a public on the way the country is run. We have been afforded the illusion by them that we do make a difference, but it only seems to be to their bank balances. I'm pretty much like everyone else, I feel powerless. I won't even vote in my constituancy, after all. I had a murderer over the education system in recent years and how that could ever have happened I will never comprehend. More illusions, more promises of nothing. Is the vote the only choice, is there something else that can be done?
I'm in a bit of a pickle with the local elections being held today, I work in a middle school and under the current council I will pretty much have no job in a year. (They want to reform the education system on the island (Isle of Wight) to the 2 tier system instead of the 3 tier we have now.) There are two main runners, Lib dem or Conservative… Conservative want the schools to change, Lib dem oppose it. And in response to the BNP…their campaign leaflet has Spitfires on it…. SPITFIRES! Guess I’m going to be spoiling my paper again..
Surely voting for Lib-Dems might help? Just because the BNP have Spitfires doesn't mean they're not a bunch of bigoted racists. I love their idea for "voluntary" repatriation of immigrants. Will they get a hot shower before they go?
Yeah might be worth a go! Oh yeah by all means i won't vote for the BNP, just found there campaign lefelet rather ammusing : )
Getting rid of Brown doesn't solve anything, the one thing that politics shows is that you need real time to effect any sort of change, and his successor won't have that time before the pendulum swings back to the Conservatives next year. I also reckon a good Liberal Democrat slogan would be "Vote us in - we haven't had a chance to f*** everything up in ages."
I can see how Brown is somewhat the victim of circumstance. He didn't lose data time and time again, he just happened to be the guy at the top when it happened. He didn't send the world into recession, he just happened to be the guy at the top when it happened. He didn't order the Labour MPs to cheat the expenses system, he just happened to be the guy at the top when it happened (and if Thatcher III Blair II Cameron thinks that's a reason to go, why doesn't he for the Conservatives' misdemeanours?). Maybe I would like to see him go. Maybe I'd like to see all of them go. Maybe I'd like to see the expenses abusers go to prison. What I don't want to see is Brown go for the reasons given and the official opposition continue to pretend they'd do anything differently if they were in power. It's also galling that Brown is being hounded while Blair got away with a hell of a lot worse. there was something else I was going to mention but the moment I remembered Blair's actions it went clean out of my head.
What we need is a referendum on a new voting system (as the current one is horrifically broken) followed by a general election. election without reforming the voting system won't help at all, as it'll just be bottling up the rot in the system making things even worse in the future. (snipped a bit from original) It's no wonder elections get such low turnout in the UK, it's not like your vote means much in this biased system* *nb. i do vote, even though i don't feel my vote counts for anything at all
The problem is that, in reality, we only live in a nominal democracy. It's not a real democracy, because the people don't have a real say in what goes on in government, other than at election time. I'd say that the number of MPs who really, truly represent their constituents is probably scarily slim. On the other hand, if we had a true democracy, most of the policies would be dictated by Daily Mail reading, knee-jerk reactionaries and we'd be in a worse mess than we're in now. I don't know what the answer is, but I suppose what we have is better than the citizens of many other countries around the world (on the 20th anniversary of Tianemen Square, one country springs immediately to mind...)
very badly ie: FPTP system (First Past The Post) Massive advantages to the two main parties and huge disadvantages to everyone else fine in principle, but we're currently in the situation of having the 'left' party has moved as far 'right' (or debatably even more rightwing) than the rightwing party leaving: do you want party A or B to win, where A roughly equals B? C-Z = wasted votes due to insane bias the system provides towards parties A and B
