GM: Emission law may hamper muscle cars

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  1. Cthippo

    Cthippo Can't mod my way out of a paper bag

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    If this is their arguement for why effiency standards are bad then they REALLY need to fire their marketing department :duh::rolleyes:
     
  2. Amon

    Amon inch-perfect

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    Ford's Flex-Fuel engine or whatever (the one that is capable of running on a range of gasoline-ethanol-methanol blends) that was showcased in future-looking prototype vehicles at auto shows does a whopping 13 MPG.
     
  3. gillett

    gillett What's a Dremel?

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    :duh: So stupid. I'd say that the planets eco system is a little more important then a 640 HP car....:wallbash::wallbash:
     
  4. Freedom

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    What I am more amazed is an American sports car that can actually go around corners
     
  5. ou7blaze

    ou7blaze sensational.

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    You see the thing is the car makers know damn well how uneconomical certain models they produce are, come on it's OBVIOUS.

    They try to make it like they care about the planet by introducing "eco-friendly" cars.

    But they know damn right high performance cars will sell well. Pick-up trucks, the lot. So? Well, being businessman they don't care about anything else except MONEY.

    If America doesn't start caring about the environment (same with China our dirty neighbours) I don't know what is going to become of the ozone layer or lack of. We won't need UV tanning salons any more!
     
  6. Orlix

    Orlix What's a Dremel?

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    my question is why would you buy a high performance car from GM?
    @ ou7blaze: Location: Kowloon... and you still need a tanning saloon? (rhyming not intended)
     
  7. Cthippo

    Cthippo Can't mod my way out of a paper bag

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    No, I think China is doing more about global warming than the US is. They have a mass transit system that works and are implementing an alternative fuels distrubition network. They have a long ways to go, but the effort does count for something
     
  8. Veles

    Veles DUR HUR

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    They still burn massive amounts of very poor quality coal though, but then you would expect a country with a massive population like China to have a high carbon output, especially one that is relatively new to modern industrialism.
     
  9. julianmartin

    julianmartin resident cyborg.

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    yeah china are currently building a new coal fired power station every week to cope with the economic expansion....

    but saying that...they are TRYING. cars like this are pointless, it'll be sat on leafsprings again and will have extrodinary cornering ability at sub 15mph speeds. providing you have an american road that is, any other sensible road around the world...well you best just hope it's straight i guess!
     
  10. talladega

    talladega I'm Squidward

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    it can do 1g in corners. you guys really know nothing about these cars and assume it is terrible because its american.


    what about all the super cars made in europe? they dont do good gas mileage. and there are VERY few that will be faster than this one.

    why not complain about the Bugatti Veyron or whatever its called. it isnt that much faster and does what... 3mpg?

    you should really find something better to complain about when your statements are false and extremely biased.

    read up on it before making assumptions.


    so what if they need to make their other cars do good MPG then. thats awesome. i heard that the suburban and tahoe in i think by 2012 will be getting as good mpg as what a toyota camry does now. im ont so sure they can get it quite that good but thats a huge improvement. i guess it shouldnt be too hard if they can get their z06 with 505hp to get 24mpg. and the regular vette with around 400hp gets like 27 or 28mpg.
     
  11. Mister_Tad

    Mister_Tad Will work for nuts Super Moderator

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    meh, considering the tiny numbers of this car (and any other $100k+ car) that will be on the road, who cares?

    Surely improving the efficiency of chevy's staple car by a quarter of a percent would more than compensate for every ZR1 sold.#

    I'd by one (if I didn't cost the same in £ that it does in $ :grr: )
     
  12. Orlix

    Orlix What's a Dremel?

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    touchy, touchy... the 25mpg includes the mileage from the towing truck????:eeek: jk
    Any way, the best fuel consumption cars are the French ones... they are always in the shop... :eeek: (not so jk)
     
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    Mister_Tad Will work for nuts Super Moderator

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    Yeah, but the environmental cost is pretty big as they only last about 30k miles
     
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    Cabe What's a Dremel?

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  15. Amon

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    China has several million design students compared to America's measly 150,000(?). If any nation is going to go green at any rate, it will be China, whose progress will be completely unrivaled. China will be more environmental than most of our developed world.
     
  16. warlord2000ad

    warlord2000ad The 20 Year Old Guy

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    I saw a car on Top Gear (UK show on BBC1) anyway they had a "green" car on there. Looks good, was fast, but was priced at £1,070,000 !!!
     
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    Mister_Tad Will work for nuts Super Moderator

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    What, the Koeniggsegg CCXR?

    green... right
     
  18. Major

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    Yup I remember that car too, it was "green" and could go pretty damn fast too.
     
  19. Cthippo

    Cthippo Can't mod my way out of a paper bag

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    Tesla Roadster perhaps?

    What a lot of people tend to forget ios that an electric motor can produce more tourque, and hence greater acceleration, than a gasoline engine. Gas engines are really only efficient through a small RPM range whereas eletrics are pretty much even thoughtout their curve. That's part of why hybrids use motors for acceleration and gas for cruising.
     
  20. Fod

    Fod what is the cheesecake?

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    i'm all for legislation banning cars that aren't efficient enough.

    sure, there will be some petrolheads complaining when it's first introduced, but use that pink squishy thing lodged in your head for a moment and think what it will mean for the long term - research into efficient, powerful gasoline engines will really step up, and we'll start seeing some really awesome new stuff coming from automakers.
    sometimes technology needs a bit of a nudge in order to stop resting on its laurels!
     

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