Discussion in 'General' started by DXR_13KE, 3 Mar 2008.
Not a bad video - a little too face-slappingly "screw you religious non-evolutionists!" towards the end.
The idea behind the intelligent design idea rather than evolution is called irreducible complexity, and it's the idea that some mechanism found in nature cannot possibly be simplified or have some parts missing and still have a sensible function. There are quite a number of examples of this around, but the problem is that we haven't seen their predecessors to see if it evolved to that state.
Either way, there's no really conclusive proof for intelligent design, and some fairly convincing (if not conclusive) evidence for evolution. One thing I will say, though, is that I can see exactly where the intelligent design people are coming from, and it's no real reason (imho) to berate people so thoroughly for.
hahaha awesome =D
Is it just me or does the guy sound like a pedophile?
Maybe it's just because I was really annoyed with the first 90% of the video, and became even more annoyed when they got to the point at the end. Not because I believe in Intelligent Design, because I don't, but because of the 5th grader sarcasm and graphics. Just a really bad presentation.
Yeah, that was pretty awesome. LOL.
Please don't get started on evolution vs intelligent design (not mutually exclusive Cheesecake)?
Go, read, enjoy.
i did not want to post this there because it is now a steaming crater of religious hate...... and that thread deserves to die....
i just posted this because of the insane amount of sarcasm it has.... that and his other videos are also very very cool....
edit: at least that thread ended nicely....
No worries; I wasn't having a go at you. I was attempting to head off the inevitable multi-page debate about evolution/creation. I figure most folks could just go read that thread, as all the basic arguments from both sides have already been addressed.
i understood that , i am not that thick.... most of the time.... i my self was fending off Tim92 and his merry band of..... people.....
Look what I made on my Mac.
Actually all examples of 'irreducible complexity' have shown to be wrong by scientists. People that believe in ID I berate because it's as bad as people believing in alchemy or astrology.
hmm does this mean ID people are infavor of gene splicing the crap out of everything as acording to them god did it and therfore as I think (not my fave book) the ultimate goal of christianity is to be as powerfull as a god?
mabey I am getting confused, the christians are the ones with snakes in there chest and deep voices?
He sounds like Ross from Friends.
Let's face it, humans aren't intelligently designed. For starters, why cross the windpipe and the foodpipe (there's probably a technical term) so we choke so easily? Eyes - could do better. And the willy? Some sort of joke?
And if woman was made second, why do men have nipples?
To keep their chests from fraying, and their insides from falling out.
Jeez, don't you know anything?
Actually, we have, and all examples of intelligent design (to date) have been disproved.
So can I, but it isn't from a scientific viewpoint. Falsifiability, anyone?
To add to that, whose idea was it to run a waste line through a recreational area?
Really? I thought there was still a fairly large catalogue of unexplained features on various creatures?
True enough, but I still say it's no reason to heavily berate people so completely. I'm not a supporter, I just don't think people deserve to be so hated for it. Then again, the idea of not teaching evolution in schools or similar is tantamount to the same hatred and distrust to me.
Intelligent Design [Creationism] used what they call "irreducibly complex" structures as their scientific foundation for claiming that life has a creator and that certain aspects are so complicated that the natural processes of evolution could not have contributed to their formation.
One of these so-called irreducibly complex structures was the bacterial flagella which has many moving parts and proteins they claim have no function on their own and only work when put together perfectly.
However scientists found that when you use individual parts and sequence their DNA, they are infact able to be used for other purposes.
The point is, just because science doesn't have a current explanation for something doesn't mean it's "impossible to ever solve, so we're gonna say God made it and let that be that."
I'm not picking on you at all Krikkit, I know you're not in disagreement. I just wanted to flesh out what Nexxo said. The main pillars used by Creationism to argue against evolution are being destroyed one by one as we learn more about organisms and how they are made.
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