Graphics GTX 470 + 480 Vs. ATI

You must admit, He's REALLY good at this.

 

"Lurk and troll"? I haven't "trolled" anyone here, nor do I plan to.

"Value" isn't a "one definition" sort of concept.

The people here seem concerned about the cost of power; however, presumably there are people in the UK who don't consider such things. (and readers in other places like the USA literally have no reason to consider this at all because electricity is almost free)

People here say "The GTX480 costs more!". OK, in the circle of people I know, no one would think twice about spending the difference in price between these two cards on dinner. I'm sure in the UK there are such people Check out this poll of people satisfied with their GTX4XX purchase:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=319966

People here say "No one cares about the features the GTX4XX series offer!". Yet, all over the internet their are threads and posts about people concerned "Why can't we use NV cards with ATi cards for PhysX?", and less (but present, E.G. Rage3d) about 3d Vision. People use CUDA apps for a variety of things:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2067686

People here say "They're too hot!". Last night I ran GPU-Z in the background with GTX480SLi running Metro2033 at 25X16, room temp 72 degrees fahrenheit:
http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?folder_id=2130163
Temps on primary GPU stayed at 93C, secondary at 87C, and fan speed stayed at 60-61%- in my closed case. Wasn't HTPC quiet, but it didn't drive the wife, son,and cat from the house either.

People here, who haven't used GTX4XX, say "They're noisey!" Depends what you compare to:
http://techreport.com/blogs.x/swasson
It's quieter than a 2GB HD5870, and much quieter than a 5970.

Then there's the whole faster at 8XAA than a 5870 is at 4X AA thing:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_gtx_480_470_performance/page17.asp
Anyone else remember when the HD4870 was faster at 8XAA that was the only setting that mattered on the forums?

Not to mention the GTX480 is the fastest DX11 GPU on the planet, which has value in longevity.

So, yes, even if every single person on this forum says the GTX480 "isn't a good value", I still disagree. In the logical fallacies, this is known as an "appeal to numbers":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
If you asked people in 1491 if the world is flat, every single one would have laughed at you if you suggested otherwise. And every single one of them would be wrong.

Value is subjective to the buyer, not an either/or condition.

 

Funny how you mention everything except from being banned from Anandtech. Your just a troll whose been banned from other tech sites and now you've come here.

 

Practice make's perfect

 

electricity is almost free.. what world do you live in- it's not cali.. we spend a gtx 480 on electricity here in 2 months at our place so he's not being truthful about the power costs in the US (in case anyone was wondering XD I know doubt it but..) maybe rollo lives in jersey =p

nvidia focus group member.. what else is there to say.. probably more a fanboy- they'll do anything to justify a bad purchase

people with common sense know what's up.. then there's the bad reviews- I'm disappointed in firingsquad.. shows they are in the back pocket of nvidia too

 

Computers do use quite a bit of electricity because they are on for long periods of time.

Any major appliance like a oven/stove can move 1000 times more electricity than a highly overclocked computer with a pair of GTX 480 but you would only use a stove for a few times daily. While a computer or at least mine is turned on for at least 8 hours/day. Not quite a major appliance but the watts add up.

 

I live in the "world of the Midwest/USA" in a small (around 300,000) metro area. Looking at my 4/12/2010 electric bill, I see I was charged .0767/KWh, plus a .0095/KWh Power Cost Adjustment.
This adds up to .0862 per KWh.

A GTX480 uses ~100W more at load than a HD5870. A KWh is 100W times 10 hours.

So if I were to game ten hours a day on one of my GTX480s, it would cost 8.62 cents a day more than on a HD5870, or $31.46 a year more. (if I actually had time to game 10 hours a day)

No bias, just facts that are irrefutable.

California, eh?

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table5_6_a.html

I see your average cost per KWh was 15 cents in Dec. 2009, so it would cost you a whole fifteen cents more to game ten hours a day.

Like I said, electricity is free here, at least the kind of electricity that the difference in video card choice will cost you.

 

You're gaming eight hours a day? Remember idle loads are much more comparable.

However, if you're gaming 8 hours a day, it would cost you 6.9 cents more a day at my house on a GTX480 than on a HD5870.

Whether you consider that kind of money as "adding up" depends on your finances, but my guess is most who can spend $400 - $500 on video cards don't care much for seventy cent a week differences.

 

im sorry. has anyone here considered the best solution out of this endless thread is agree to disagree?

nRollo is set on GTX400 is brilliant, you lot are set to argue with him. this doesn't seem to have gone anywhere for 5 pages.

for me, personally. i think GTX400 is good buy, 480 is the best out there and won't shutter like crap in GTA 4 DLC's. which im currently having problem playing. wonder how much i need to add to trade a 5870 to gtx480......

 

Isn't an argument meant to convince one person to think like another, well seeing as you'd have an easier time convincing a mouse it's a camel then why are you arguing with nRollo, he's obviously the ULTIMATE NVIDIA fanboy seeing as all the others have scampered of waiting patiently for DX12 to see if NVIDIA can regain its dignity

 

A 2gb 5870 would solve that as well if frame buffer is the issue.

 

just looked at summer usage last year.. 21 cents/kWh

our state is not the best at keeping prices down.. our gas is over 3 dollars a gallon too.. that's pretty cheap power if that's what your gettin

makes me kind of wish I lived back east again.. but then I see the palm trees driving through town and wonder how they live out east XD why I moved out here in the first place- everyone becomes a polar bear out there for the winter while we walk around in t shirts

 

Yeah it is getting tedious

So does this mean you will be getting one then? because all the thing's I've been hearing about fermi and all the different opinions from here and across the pond I'm kinda wondering if I should just buy one and find out for myself and f**k the electric bill my bills are a arm and a leg anyway

 

yeah but thing is bums.. the 480 is a gimped product

nvidia cards have always held their value and you could be pretty sure to sell them off used for a good amount back.. like the 280 was a hot monster too but it wasn't gimped.. it was the full chip as intended by the engineers

the 480 is just a total mess there.. it barely beats a product that's been 6 months on the market and they had to disable shaders to sell it.. when they die shrink finally and the 512 shader fermi comes out.. those 480's will be worth nothing- watch.. I mean who would want a hot card that doesn't even have all the power as intended

I guess if you got it like that.. buy it

 

Yawn.

Disagree with what he has to say, not who he is.