Rant Gun Control?

Making guns expensive only makes it harder for law-abiders.

What criminal would care for the price if the crime committed could have a bigger payoff.

Not to mention, most criminals would probably steal the said expensive gun.

 

Self contradictory, a little?

 

Make sure? Nice try, but this wouldn't stop gun crime.

I've already requested Nexxo's opinions on the psychological tests, I want to know yours (other than "wouldn't it be good to only sell guns to sane people?")

And you don't want incompetents owning guns, so your answer is a physical? Try target practice, it's far more conventional.

And as I said, fingerprinting's for another thread; it's part of a much larger debate on the balance of power between the state and the individual.

 

I've had my fingerprints on record with the NCIC(National Crime Information Center) and DOD(Department of Defense)and CBI(Colorado Bureau of Investigation) for decades. You cannot get a high level security clearance in the US without it. A security clearance greatly increases one's worth to industries and opens broader job markets.

True story:
When I first applied to IBM they had to do a "background check". Takes a couple days they said. Called back later the same afternoon with the job offer. "Somebody at CBI knows you.

What's to hide fingerprints from?

john

 

Exactly. I believe your prints make it to file the second you apply for a visa to certain countries. I know I they took mine when I got my F1. There's no valid reason to fret about it.

 

Making guns expensive only makes it harder for law-abiders.

What criminal would care for the price if the crime committed could have a bigger payoff.

Not to mention, most criminals would probably steal the said expensive gun.

 

that has a name, its called escalation, it happened in the cold war, what will happen is that the criminal will get a bigger and more deadly gun, he will kill everything he lays his sight on in your house, he does not know if you are carrying a gun or not... or he will simply poison you or knock you out with some gas.

violence leads to violence... if i was a criminal and i knew that people had a gun i would also get a gun, but contrary to you i am a criminal and i will shoot you and your family, i will not hesitate, i will not say stop, i am fighting for my survival as you are and nothing will stop me, even if i have to pop you from a far with a silenced Gerand with a scope i got from the back of a van, or suffocate you with some funky gas grenades i got from a guy....

around here nothing like that happens... and we have a strict law about guns.. basically criminals don't use guns because they will give them more trouble than they are worth.

 

Yeah, most criminals also try to well..live. So basically they wouldn't risk shooting someone knowing that they themselves could be filled with holes in seconds.

Unless he/she is suicidal, but then that said person would most likely try to blow you up instead.

Also Grenades are illegal no matter what, they're military grade explosives, unless you're talking about IEDs and Molotovs.

 

You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing.

I think this is the major point here, but just calm down a little, it doesn't say you must be subjected to a physical and mental test to own a gun, do you really think they have the time and money to waste on getting everybody who owns a gun tested? What is more likely to happen is someone might throw up a few minor red flags that warrant further investigation.

All the other points are perfectly fair IMO, if someone killed someone you love with a gun, surely you would want them caught, and this kind of stuff would go a long way to help with that. Oh, $25 charge is a little cheeky I admit.

 

so lets see if i understand you.
You are ok with a seriously cross eyed ( he cant hit the side of a barn if he was 5 meters from it), glass wristed individual swearing loudly "IMHA GONAH GET THAT BIATCH!!" going into a store, gets a cheap gun and goes out with it? 5 minutes he returns to get some ammo (he did not know guns use ammo), and 10 minutes latter to ask the clerk to teach him how to load ammo into the gun.

also consider that said "BIATCH" is sitting next to your wife at the local pub when he finds her...

no, it would not stop gun crime, but, it would certainly diminish the amount of gun suicides, accidents, hasty crimes (like the scenario above), crimes of opportunity (your gun is registered to you), etc...

a system for preventing the crazies from getting access to the fire-power they need to kill you accidently would be nice, but, if you are willing to let these people get guns, ok, its your life and its your family, BUT, please do not cry when someone, that was was batsh*t insane and was allowed to get a gun, accidently hurts or kills someone near to you.

The choice is yours, you live there, deal with the consequences...

thank God i don't live there...

 

Google "Class 3 weapon". This is merely a simplified version of what every gun dealer in the US already does. You keep records, you lock up your inventory subject to unannounced BATF inspections.
The $25 is a reduced version of the class 3 license fee for transactions - last time I talked to my brother it was $200. So I buy a shotgun for $100, use it for a couple years, and sell it for $75. The buyer has to pay the $25 to get the transfer. I still get $75.

john

 

criminals will shoot you if they suspect that you are packing heat, the first one that shoots is generally the one that survives...

Illegal? Do criminals follow the law? ow yeah... if they don't obey gun control laws then why would they obey the "no grenades" law? mister Elton, say hello to gas grenade.

 

I'm in favour of basic safety and skill testing, much like a driving test but for guns. You must've misinterpreted me to miss that out.

Hasty crimes? AFAIK most states have a waiting period.

And your last point is almost absurd. What next, get rid of Volvos in case some maniac drives one through a bus que? The gun is not the problem, it's a tool in the killers hand, same as a knife, baseball bat or broken bottle.

Statistically, your arguments do not hold up.

 

Many grenades came into the US from returning Viet Nam veterans. Great fun for fishing in deep lakes.


































Or so I heard.

john

 

does your state have a waiting period? edit: sorry, only noticed now that you are Brit, i expand the question to the OP, does his state have this waiting period?

normally to drive a car you get a health exam and during your driving tests you are tested for maniac tendencies, like speeding and doing dumb things (at least they do that here, i don't know about the states).... so yes, we both agree that you should not sell everyone a gun, the person that wants a gun needs to be trained in its use, therefore he/she must be tested physically and psychologically before owning a licence to use a gun.

So, do you agree with physical and psychological testing and training of individuals before owning a licence to do something that has a high probability to kill or hurt people?

i will give you a choice of an enemy that you must fight

A) a crazy person with a hammer
B) a crazy person with shotgun or a pistol

you are armed with your favourite pistol, what opponent do you choose?
sometimes its the tool that defines the threat...

 

I don't agree with physical and psychological testing, not unless there's a good way of doing it (which we're still to find). I said a direct test of practical abilities, you should show safe handling, answer a few simple questions and prove you can shoot semi-straight.

And high probability? There are as many guns as people in America

And your last hypothetical makes no sense, I get a gun but the bad guy doesn't? In a perfect world, but you have to be reasonable.

 

Well, since i just became the owner of a Crossbow and a .22 rifle... I still agree with most of the proposals. They all seem very common sense to me. But as they say, common sense isn't so common now days.

 

Out of curiosity, what are the restrictions on the crossbow?

In Britain, you have to be 18. That's it. I'm often surprised more people don't use them to commit murder

 

Damn, it's a good thing crossbows aren't legislated upon in India, or I'd have gone to jail too often!

 

In Colorado, it's did you come in the door?

john