Rant Gun Control?

in Canada we have to take a 3 day course to get license to own or purchase a gun. for handguns it is another 3 day course. to pass you need to know what you are doing and you have to have common sense.

too many restrictions is no good. having it like we do in Canada seems fine to me.

 

I come back from a few days of work over load and see a lot of replies on this subject. The first few paragraphs of my post are my experiences the rest was my friend that was worried. This was the same friend that called me on the phone a few days before and said he received a letter in the mail with an offer from the state to buy his AK Colt for $2,600. Point is he feels like there are moves to eventually take America's guns in the near future. I'm not sure about it.

I left a vague response to just open up for discussion. I actually don't have a problem with a lot on the list, and have done most. I have been fingerprinted for security access in work, with state licenses, etc. I have taken my hunters safety course and received a permit. Received my License to carry a concealed weapon. Have one Springfield DX 45 registered in which I had to give my SS# and info for a back ground check. I'm positive that I would pass any strict regulation they enforced on gun ownership. But I do not want to see it go any further.

I have 2 shot guns, 1 riffle, and a hand gun. Only the hand gun is registered. My father, uncle and grandfather have more than that and I believe none of them are registered. My friends and younger people in the family have some new guns registered. I believe there are a lot of guns in America that are "legally" not registered just like us. How many legally unregistered weapons are out there? If they pass a law that we have to register our older guns the only people that will do it are people like us and not the people that the law suppose to target.

I see a lot of comments here that are giving to much confidence to the governments and laws I see it very detached from reality. Guns will always exist no matter what laws are made even if guns are banned. It's just as easy to buy an unregistered gun as it is drugs. It's not even difficult to make guns and recase ammo either.

I do not want to see are country make it any more difficult for the average American to attain a gun for hunting or protection. I don't see the effectiveness it suppose to have. Instead I believe it will discourage good people from having them and feel as if the government will harass and invade their privacy checking up on them from time to time because of gun ownership. How many people like tax audits?? It will always be very easy for the criminal to have them and the government not know.

People will always find a way to kill each other gun or no gun. I think the hardest part of killing is mentally getting to that point of being able to do it not because you have a gun. I'm sure no one has been deterred from killing someone or them self because of the absence of a gun. I think if they are going to do it they will use what they got available, hands, knife, poison, or gun. Those teenage school shootings could have just as well taken place with common household cleaner bombs instead. The last neighbor to neighbor shooting could have been a strangle. The man that killed his family and then himself could of used poison instead. It's either in rage or well thought out plans that these things happen. If its rage you use what ever is available, if it's premeditation you create a weapon of choice based on availability.

I support wanting peace in the world, but that will never happen, and when the law fails to protect I want to be able to defend the life of my child, wife, and property the best way possible and I want others to be able to do that as well.

Where I live and most of my family it would take 15 to 30 minutes for the police to drive to our residence. A lot of bad can happen in that amount of time and during that time things are in my hands and I will protect my family the quickest and most efficient way. I've had two incidences with robbers one I held at gun point till the cops came the other I shot with a pellet gun (quickest thing I could grab) then my Doberman Pinscher bit him and held him in corner of the room till the cops came I was home alone, he thought I wasn't there. He was a neighbor a few miles away in a bad neighborhood. I see and have experienced the value of gun ownership in my own experiences.

Most criminals are not the no fearing bad asses you see on documentaries, TV entertainment, or movies, they are mostly desperate people doing desperate things and sometimes will beat or kill you to get to money or valuables. They will also drop to their knees with their hands up as soon as you point the gun at them with out a shot fired. But at the same time if it ever was necessary I am reassured by confidence and practice I can unload my Springfield DX's clip of 16 ammo in less than 10 seconds with out missing critical mass. That is in powering confidence in situations of life and death and it gets quick attention and respect. Personally guns have reduced violence in my home, and the law has always been on my side the way it was handled.

I'm not being calaced but people die, gang bangers will shoot at each other, idiots will have guns, people will commit suicide, criminals will use them. If it was even possible to rid them of guns they would still die from something else used and there would still be victims killed along with them. Humans have premature deaths just like everything else in the world.

Guns in our family besides protection have been very important in our lives providing food. When I was growing up as a child till the last 5years we have grown our own vegetables and hunted for a majority of our meat. Living off the land is where its at. In a few years I plan on buying a house with plenty of land and doing it again. I currently and for many years have donated to the conservation of land I hunted on to make sure that I have given more than I have taken.

The world will never be to civilized to permanently do away with basic tools that have helped us put food on the table and protect our lands and people. I'm not paranoid about it but if there ever comes a day when we have to go back to some of the basics, I want to always be reassured I'm ready for it. I do believe the majority of people here where I live feel the same way.
My belief in the future is that America and especially Texas will never do away with gun ownership. Our mayors, senators, congressman own guns for hunting and protection. We have huge gun organizations that have stated they would start a civil war if they tried. It would be near impossible and extremely taxing for the government to even try to disarm their citizens and if they did the criminals would still have them. Nothing is going to change, America is saturated in guns it would take a 100 years just to get some type of control over it. If it did happen then we would just have a wimpy nation getting pushed around and pissing our selfs over guns like I experience when I lived in Mexico for a year. Every crime that took place in the news was a civilian getting victimized by a person with a gun. Their having the biggest drug war right now, guess what the bad guys have,.......... guns.

But I promise this. If there ever is a day when I know that no other human on earth has guns including our governments and live food begins to walk into my home every day I will happily melt my guns and never use them again.

 

^^^ let me know when the book comes out.

 

I think that you are projecting.

The problem is that all your arguments are based in logic and therefore make sense to you, and therefore are assumed by you to be True. Unfortunately reality has a way of being counterintuitive and contrary to logic (people are just cussed that way).

Research shows that the way to stem the flow of illegal weapons to criminals is to control the flow of legal weapons to the general public --all those guns had to start life somewhere, after all.

Research also shows that there is no connection between crime and public gun ownership. Hell, in the UK the police don't even carry guns. Yet law enforcement over here is at least as effective as in the US. We also have at least as wide a variety of desperate drug-addicted criminals as in the US, but it is not exactly as if we're being slaughtered in our own homes.

Research further shows that most murders are committed in rage or panic. The problem is that gGuns make killing so easy. You don't have to be enraged or panicked very much, or for very long --just long enough to aim and pull the trigger. In the absence of guns the desparate or determined will indeed resort to other measures. But these measures are more difficult, and require more preparation and planning, and more personal risk. Enough time for that rage and panic to settle down a bit and for the brain to re-engage a bit.

In any case, none of the gun registration and control measures do in any way prevent a fine upstanding mature citizen like yourself from owning a gun. Yet you see it as a prelude to "taking your guns away". You have no factual basis for that assumption --it is basically just a feeling. And that is the whole problem: the debate on gun control is largely emotive. A brief trawl on the internet reveals arguments that gun control is apparently: racist, anti-semitic (yes, really), totalitarian, facilitates terrorism and criminal activity. It's a bit like the gay marriage debate, in which opponents argue with a straight face that gay marriage undermines freedom and civil rights.

Guns are serious business. They should be treated accordingly. In an ideal world I don't think any civilian should have access to them, but I acknowledge that there are people who need them (e.g. farmers) and that there are enough intelligent, mature adults who can responsibly handle them (e.g. sports shooters). So I think that the right balance is to have a proper legal framework in place to handle them responsibly: screening, training, registration, appropriate storage, pricing to reflect the seriousness of the object and the responsibility one takes on. You can have your gun, but it is a privillige, not a right.

 

Oh sweet


a gun thread

 

Yeah, we haven't had one of those for a while...

 

Another one wow. I'll just sum up my opinions.

1. Guns are not the problem. Take away the guns and we'll find another way to kill each other. We killed each other way before the invention of the firearm.
2. Cheap throw away guns shouldn't be on the market ($50 SNS).
3. Gun control is ok up to a point (NFA Class 3, CCW permit, ATF paperwork).
4. Firearms are a RIGHT (Supreme court ruled on this many times) to law abiding citizens.
5. Removing or banning firearms would damage relations between the American public and the government.
6. Removing or banning firearms would damage one of America's symbols of independence.
7. Gunshows should have weapon check outs run by the police to confirm proper age of purchaser.

 

Nexxo:

Your absolutely right. Thats why I will grow into an old grumpy man angry at the world with all my so called logic that the world should adopt. I think you think in logic as well, but have had a thought in clarity about why it does not work most of the time.

Nexxo, your alright in my book. Rock on!

 

shall we start a religion one?



kidding.........

 

As do you? And most other people?

 

Sure we don't need gun regulation

 

Beat me to it.

 

SUMMON THE NORWEGIANS!

 

Does anyone else think that looks like Russel Brand in 5 years and several hundred burgers later?

 

As gross as that picture is, that hillbilly knows more about guns than a swat team. And he probably knows how to use them all, accurately.

And I'll simply state my blatant NRA approved opinion(s);

Guns rock, and if you dont think so your a commie.

Take that with a side of sarcasm or not, I dont care.

 

I find it funny that no one has actually brought any of the gun related crime research into this. I mean, seeing as how anecdotal evidence is often shown to be very wrong in the face of facts. Both sides of the debate (in the US) rely on you not looking up their FUD. You'd be surprised at what the numbers actually say.

 

Gun Blast quick facts
NEAHIN Statistical gun violence
Wikipedia - Gun violence

There are hosts more found on google.

 

the number say im right and everyone else is wrong.

 

Ahh, but I found an article that points out, very clearly, how things are running with 'gun control' in the US. I agree with this article 100% cause it nails it right on the head.

 

That article is similar to a lot of things I've read and I subscribe to the idea (Fact).

More guns less violence is how it has always been.