Heh. Microsoft is at it again...

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  1. Dad

    Dad You talkin to me?

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    Taken from Slashdot...

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  2. eddie_dane

    eddie_dane Used to mod pc's now I mod houses

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    I think Microsoft should be permitted to make money from their products any way they see fit right up to the point that I ultimately abandon using their products altogether.
     
  3. Ubermich

    Ubermich He did it!

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    Argh. Microsoft has more power than the Dept of Justice. This is a sad, sad world.
    Or the way I read that:
    :sigh:
    Until Microsoft is split up, they'll continue doing everything they can to keep breathing. It's a monster that can't feed itself, it has to keep growing to survive. It will keep growing into new markets and keep exploiting the ones it owns. It has to to keep from collapsing.
    :blah:

    Edit: I agree eddie. /me is glad I'm preparing by trying to learn linux. I wonder how far microsoft will have to go before game makers build for linux...
     
  4. eaterofpies

    eaterofpies What's a Dremel?

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    problem is microsoft are making some good games now :waah: they even got mech warrior 4 and it was good :( so i dont think theres gonna be a port for that

    EDIT cos i forgot to say a whole bunch of stuff

    yeah microsoft are too powerful but what can you do about it? the fact is its 100000000x easier to get / install / use than linux and a lot of office workers will never ever be able to use windows properly let alone linux tho lots of unis are using as the main system for computing courses so in the next 5 years things could change quite a lot
     
  5. Ubermich

    Ubermich He did it!

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    Linux is becoming much easier to use. Redhat is so similar to windows it's not even funny. For an office environment, redhat would be awesome because the system admin could lock users out of everything except what they needed. Redhat is practically trying to say "Anything you can do I can do better" right now as far as office use goes (the office environment is really the only thing they have control over). As long as the administrator knows what they're doing it's the way to go.
    For a home user, windows is better-known, and it plays games, so that is the prefered option. Although this could change... eventually.
     
  6. Yo-DUH_87

    Yo-DUH_87 Who you calling tiny?

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    Redhat, similar to Windows, haha.

    /me laughes me guts out, puts them back in, and returns

    My experiences have found Windows to be far superior to redhat in most every aspect (except price), but I won't go into that ;)

    Microsoft is unstoppable, for many reasons:

    At my father's workplace, they use very expencive specialized softwars, written for windows. In order for them to change would require purchacing new software/licences, new training for the IT people, and new training for the end users. Plus, all the files they had worked on previously may or may not work with this new software, so (possibly) there goes a lot more time.

    It is cheaper for the company to grin and bear M$ than replace it ;)

    As for the average end-user, I don't mind Linux, but there is no doubt that Windows is a bunch better supported (software/hardware).

    I'll stick with Windows as my main OS until a. Linux gets better (which will happen with time) or b. M$ starts charging monthly fees (not all that far away)...
     
  7. Haddy

    Haddy World Domination

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    Im sure he was talking about the interface.....

    The unix kernel is far better imo compared to windows its unreal...

    I agree that Microsoft has a right to make money on all their products but when you sell an upgrade, just an upgrade now which means youve already had to pay for a windows version, for $150+ its crazy and unreal, hell half the time the software is so buggy you need to wait for the 50 updates in the first 6 months of its release to get a semi-"stable" version going....

    If you cant install redhat with its new installer you really shouldnt be sitting at a keyboard.....Hell it even lets you choose what the computer will be used for.....
     
  8. eaterofpies

    eaterofpies What's a Dremel?

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    or you cant install it cos of compatability problems with the installer like ive had and windows dosent have those problems

    as yo_duh said theres better hardware support in windows (definitely) and software to a slightly lesser extent
     
  9. djengiz

    djengiz Pointless.

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    I think the market is changing at a very rapid pace. In the no so far future PC will be obsolete. It will a be consoles, PDA's, mobile phones and sort of home theatre (ZAP) machine. Microsoft is a very bad player in the embedded stuff. Win CE is crap and the apps developed on it are worse.

    That new mobile phone M$ and orange have developed crahes and has a lotta memory leaks. Take it from me, Microsoft will not pentrate the CE market, because there are too many very big companies that run the show (Sony, Pioneer, Philips, Sharp etc)
     
  10. Ubermich

    Ubermich He did it!

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    I meant mostly the interface... the part that matters to 99% of users. Things are changing, you can't deny that. It won't be long 'till microsoft drives companies to develop their software for linux instead of windows via nasty bureaucracy or charges to develop for windows.
     
  11. bushd

    bushd What's a Dremel?

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    Yes, the linux industry is changing, because it had to. While their market was corporate, they were not all corporate, and most of the business is consumer. Whether it looks like Windows or not is not the story, it is the ease is what matters. Ever tried installing something on Linux? Some are very simple, and I agree, they have come a long way. My first program install was a nightmare. Especially if it requires packages or libraries you don't have, and it will not find them for you either. I will finish this up later, got to go.
     
  12. Ubermich

    Ubermich He did it!

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    You're absolutely right, the first install was a pain in the arse. But that was then. Some installs are still difficult, yes. The older installers are what cause problems. I find that newer installers (for newer programs generally) are much much easier, and they'll only get easier.
    The main base of this movement is because people are seeing that if Linux were a bit easier to use, many more people would use it. Who's gonna pay $100+ for windows when Linux is just as easy and cost just a fraction of that (or less)? I think it's this view of "there's no way the general public will ever use linux" is the only thing holding linux back. The more people wake up and realize that linux can be made as simple as windows (or easier), the faster the linux world will progress.

    Even as linux is now. I'd be willing to bet that I could teach the most computer-illiterate of my friends how to use linux in place of windows and still do all of the things they do normally.
     
  13. bushd

    bushd What's a Dremel?

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    Well, not everything, gaming. The thing is, while ease is comming, a standard is not. That is what brought Windows mainstream in my opinion, a standard. Linux does not have a standard, people do not build graphics on the standards of graphics such as opengl or DirectX, they use GTK et al. RedHat got it much better in my opinion with their update system for patches with security. I thought that was a very wise move, made things much easier to those less technical about Linux, or computers for that matter. Open source does not have standards, possibly an ethics standard, but not much else is standard.
     

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