Modding help with a hard drive switch

Discussion in 'Modding' started by Da_BaCoN, 23 Sep 2003.

  1. Da_BaCoN

    Da_BaCoN Minimodder

    Joined:
    25 Aug 2002
    Posts:
    1,200
    Likes Received:
    2
    i saw a mod on techtv's site talking where you could flip a switch and it would either connect or disconnect the jumpers on a hd, and either turning on the "master" setting, or having it result in cable select since no jumpers would be activated. i need to do this, but i've found that a lot of my HDs need a jumper of some sort to be set to the master or cable select setting. here's a (uber paint skillz) pic, then i'll explain

    [​IMG]

    basically, there's going to be a total of 2 jumpers on each hd and i'd like the have it so that when the switch is in one position, it behaves like the first part of the pic, and of course, when the switch is in the other position, have the other jumpers activated instead. how would i do this? (i want to have just one switch - probably a key switch - to change between the settings)


    *EDIT*
    i found the techtv article i was talking about. look at it here
     
  2. Krog_Mod

    Krog_Mod What's a Dremel?

    Joined:
    23 Sep 2003
    Posts:
    476
    Likes Received:
    18
    Im going to try and figure out a correct way to switch the HD's with the jumpers only.. keep in mind i know that theres that default to cable select thing. But I like to do things the hard way anyway. :rolleyes: For those of you who read what was here earlier.. i was really tired and what i wrote.. was craptastically retarded! :hehe:
     
    Last edited: 25 Sep 2003
  3. pranks7er

    pranks7er mange tout

    Joined:
    25 Dec 2002
    Posts:
    3,515
    Likes Received:
    0
  4. Da_BaCoN

    Da_BaCoN Minimodder

    Joined:
    25 Aug 2002
    Posts:
    1,200
    Likes Received:
    2
    thanks prans7er! my, uh... search button was broken? :p

    anyways, i was trying to get it to where i could have both drives accessed (depending on which OS i'm running) but some one in another thread windows has trouble reading linux drives anyways so ill just have one active at a time.

    in the thread pranks7er posted, i found this link and it looks like what i need, but i'm a bit confused on how it works. it's got 3 positions: left-HD 1, middle- no HD, right-HD 2. but i don't understand how it prevents both HDs from booting up and being detected by the OS. all they seem to do is turn on/off the master jumpers on each one. (it might make more sense once i get some sleep :grr: )
     
  5. Krog_Mod

    Krog_Mod What's a Dremel?

    Joined:
    23 Sep 2003
    Posts:
    476
    Likes Received:
    18
    What i have figured out already... is that i dont know a **** thing about electronics.. if i did.. i could have a decent circuit... but im so unsure of it that id make a bet it would kill a HD to try it!
     
    Last edited: 25 Sep 2003
  6. pranks7er

    pranks7er mange tout

    Joined:
    25 Dec 2002
    Posts:
    3,515
    Likes Received:
    0
    from http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/howto/story/0,24330,3425846,00.html

    this one uses a SPDT switch
     
  7. Krog_Mod

    Krog_Mod What's a Dremel?

    Joined:
    23 Sep 2003
    Posts:
    476
    Likes Received:
    18
    Could anybody point me in the direction of a good tutorial for electronics? I'm having no luck finding something useful! :waah:
     
    Last edited: 25 Sep 2003
  8. Stickeh

    Stickeh Help me , Help you.

    Joined:
    20 Jul 2003
    Posts:
    3,574
    Likes Received:
    89
    da_bacon, the point is the siwtch just ocmpletes the circuit of the jumpers on the hard drives,, when there are no jumpers it should normmaly be on cable select. thats how tech tv explains it.
     
  9. Da_BaCoN

    Da_BaCoN Minimodder

    Joined:
    25 Aug 2002
    Posts:
    1,200
    Likes Received:
    2
    yeah, but thats the problem - i'm lookin at a western digital drive right now and for cable select, it requires a jumper, and for master, it still requires a jumper. also pranks7er, i said i need/want to use a keyswitch, and all the keyswitches i've seen have only been spst, so that method won't work.

    another thing: now all i'm worried about is having one drive active at a time, so i can cut the power off to one or something, but my main problem is the fact that the keyswitch is only spst. (i hope i havent confused the poop out of anyone :rolleyes: :blush: )

    *EDIT*
    i know zap did something this complex with the usb ports, power, rest, and cd buttons on his lan pc and they can all be turned on/off with just one keyswitch. he used a relay, but i have next to zero knowledge of electronics, so i don't know how to wire something like that up.

    *EDIT EDIT!*
    i was lookin for info on this and happened to come across this same thing but on an xbox. they said that you could cut pin 23 on the ide cable and the drive would not be detected. is this true? even if it is, i think i'll still have the problem with the spst thing :grr:
     
    Last edited: 24 Sep 2003
  10. pranks7er

    pranks7er mange tout

    Joined:
    25 Dec 2002
    Posts:
    3,515
    Likes Received:
    0
    You may need Zaps Help try getting his attention by changing title to Zapwizard please Help with harddrive switch!!!
     
  11. Shwang

    Shwang What's a Dremel?

    Joined:
    4 Jul 2003
    Posts:
    47
    Likes Received:
    0
    If you want to do it the jumpers way, you could, but I wasn't satisfied with that, so I worked about 2 months on this, with help from Zap, and others.

    It uses a SPDT Key switch ( to prevent accidental switching, and switches which drive is powered on to switch them, the beatuty of this, is it will work for my main system so I can run Linux on a craptastic drive, but still have my media drive and windows drive that are accessed when the switch is in the windows position.

    I'm tried to figure out a way to make it so that no matter what I did, it wouldn't switch while th epower was on, but I never did, so a keyswitch was the only way I could be sure of that.

    Unfortuanately I lost the diagram for it, so I'll make a better one if anyone wants it.
     
  12. Da_BaCoN

    Da_BaCoN Minimodder

    Joined:
    25 Aug 2002
    Posts:
    1,200
    Likes Received:
    2
    Shwang, a diagram would be great! also, do you remember where you got a spdt keyswitch from? the only ones i've found have been spst. thanks! :D
     
  13. Shwang

    Shwang What's a Dremel?

    Joined:
    4 Jul 2003
    Posts:
    47
    Likes Received:
    0
    About the keyswitch. Well Maplin has them, but I don't know where you can find them in NA. I found one in my local radshack. You could also try searching around local garages to see if you can find one from an old car that works like you need. Just make sure you have at least 1 extra key, and get more cut so that you don't lose them. I also reccomend storing one inside your case, taped down.

    I'll work on the diagram tonight. If you got any questions just ask. I remember asking and not many people were helpful.

    How old are your drives anyway? I haven't seen a drive that needed jumpers to operate in CS in a long time.
     
  14. Da_BaCoN

    Da_BaCoN Minimodder

    Joined:
    25 Aug 2002
    Posts:
    1,200
    Likes Received:
    2
    i've found a few places that sell spdt keyswitches, so i've got that part covered

    one of them (the one i'll use for linux) is a good couple years old, so thats probably why it needs jumpers, but im gonna try to plan this so just in case i get a new drive that still needs jumpers
     
  15. corona21

    corona21 What's a Dremel?

    Joined:
    27 Sep 2003
    Posts:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
  16. Shwang

    Shwang What's a Dremel?

    Joined:
    4 Jul 2003
    Posts:
    47
    Likes Received:
    0
    HWy not, it should work with thing.
     
  17. Shwang

    Shwang What's a Dremel?

    Joined:
    4 Jul 2003
    Posts:
    47
    Likes Received:
    0
    Damn it I'm an idiot. I've deleted the diagram asecond time, but it's the weekend so I should have a better chance to redo it without interuption.

    Sorry anyone who was waiting with baited breath.
     

Share This Page