Hilliary vs. Trump: The 2016 US Presidental Election

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  1. Harlequin

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    Obama said he wished he had closed Gitmo on day 1 rather than being persuaded not to
     
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    faugusztin I *am* the guy with two left hands

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    No one talks about the orders as an instrument. I was talking about an order of "giving the US security services 30 days to devise a new strategy for defeating ISIS". They couldn't come up with any so far, so how would they suddenly come up with a perfect one withing 30 days ? Just because Trump wishes that, then suddenly it will happen ?
     
  3. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Like you alluded to Trump is signing them with next to no consultation whereas previous presidents often spent weeks, if not months, consulting with the relevant departments to make sure a) they were feasible and b) legal.

    The only reason for Trump to be rushing to sign them in such a short time is because he's pandering to his supporters like RB, as this article says...
    And...
     
  4. walle

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    OK. I see.

    ...and No it wont happen.

    I would first have to look into previous executive orders before commenting on level of damage.

    There's been nothing but damage made for the past 16 years with little effort and will to rectify it. I don't see why Trump would be any different.
     
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    1: Stop arming anyone in the entire region.
    2: Get assassinated by Raytheon for even suggesting it.
    3: ???
    4: Profit.
     
  6. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    It seems more people care about preventing Donald Trump from making a state visit to the UK than they did about the snoopers charter, although what with it only being announced a few days ago who knows if the signatures are legit.
     
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    Because a royal would get embarrassed seems like a pretty week reason to do anything to be honest.
     
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    not a lot has really changed anything since 632AD...
     
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    I'm not a betting man, but i bet if every single Mexican left the USA and never came back the economy of the USA would collapse. Do you think the people around you would do the work of a Mexican for the pay they get? Yeah right...

    That's the thing. Why the hell do employers pay less than what is adequate for a livable wage?

    We built our civilizations and cultures on the backs of slaves and the poor that would do anything to not starve. Do you want to go back to those times?
     
  10. Nexxo

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    And when these executive orders inevitably fail because they are illegal or outright impossible, Trump will cast the blame on those obstructive judges, civil servants etc. After all he has been studying Brexit closely.
     
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    Because you as a customer is not willing to pay the increased price for it. Thus they cannot afford to pay the employees higher wages either.
     
  13. walle

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    If they all left tomorrow that would certainly create an immediate vacuum but that wasn't what I talked about let alone suggested in my post.

    Slavery has been around for as long as humanity itself and all races have resorted to it throughout history on various scales and degrees of brutality, but you need so much more than 'free' labor to create and achieve what we have created and achieved for the past ~600 years and to think that slavery would be the reason for our success alone and that we therefore would somehow owe other races something would be ignorance at best.

    You should, if anything, be proud over the fact that we ended the institution.
     
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  14. Nexxo

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    What "we" created in the past 600 years was largely already created by other cultures 1000, 2000 and even 3000 years ago. Nothing new under the sun. And yes, slavery, conquest and colonialism features largely in human history. We're all indebted to each other.
     
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    It was an organic progression of our own European cultures which all dates back more than 3000 years, and which for the past ~600 years matured and progressed to the level of us being responsible for 95% of all the technological and medical advancements, the creators of civilizations, of the most advanced infrastructure, high-income, low-corruption, politically stable and peaceful countries in the world.

    That's not to say all white people had or have the civilization gene, clearly that's not the case. But enough of us did. After all, slave based societies aren't by and large civilized.
     
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    There is no such thing as "European cultures" in the strictest sense --we're all mongrels. As little as 1000 years ago everybody in the world was in some way related to each other. All cultures are related also.

    Many medical and technological advancements were discovered and invented independently across the world. Astronomy, engineering, medicine. Only in the last two centuries did Western cultures really start to make scientific progress that exceeds what came before.

    As for civilization and infrastructure, high standard of living peace and stability, again other cultures have achieved that in the past to roughly the same measure we have it now. May I remind you that Western civilization had two world wars, one characterised by some pretty fierce genocide and a nuclear exchange, in just the last century.

    All humans have the "civilization gene" in equal measure. Civilization goes back thousands of years, all over the world. And slavery comes in many forms. It is rife in Western society even today.
     
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    Conway is just a dream to listen to, go Conway.

    :thumb:
     
  19. walle

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    We've established in the past that there are but if you wanna call it mono culture instead you're entitled to do so. it's true that we've been racially homogeneous but we've still had diversity in thoughts and ideas, this diversity has been the continents strength.

    Point remains that we've been responsible for 95% of all the technological and medical advancements.

    The Roman Empire had Pax Romana with peace and stability for nearly 200 years. Come to think of it, I can't of the top of my head recall any other civilization ever having pulling that off. 200 years of peace. That's impressive. Not that I would necessarily call a slave based society civilized thou.

    No they don't, not even within the same race will you find that they do. It's just like with intelligence, beauty, strength etc. Nothing is in equal measure and there's no point in trying to make equal what is not equal in the first place, worse yet trying to tell yourself that we are, it would be to ignore reality.


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    Not in it's strictest sense, but if it's rife in western society my bet is that it's even worse in the Middle East, Asia and Africa, all things considered I think we stand up to scrutiny rather well in comparison.
     
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    never thought id say it but, thank god for homeland security. :thumb:
     

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