Hilliary vs. Trump: The 2016 US Presidental Election

You're missing the bit where the countries affected do not a viable vetting process or intelligence on it's citizens that the administration can access, very important.

Soembody on here wasn't allowed to go walzing into Canada as a right, Like ten of thousnads of other brits can't, And we share intelligence, no dramas or protests there.

Oooo look....another petition!
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

 

that's really interesting, thanks for this, this is a great share.
This is how you pick up knowledge along the way, I was not aware.



It must be a very bad situation (generally) for it to have got taken to by Clinton like that, and also obviously today. I guess the fact people are crying out for a wall goes to show just how bad the situation is.

I have listened to a number of talk show hosts and they are saying to just line the wall with the best you can get, 50mm autos long barrels, no warning shots.

that to me is too much, but if you are trying to get in against the rules that puts you in the very bad category where there are no limits to stop you.


We are going to get to see all the morons crying out for the next 4 and 8 years whilst adults take over and resolve matters, finally!

What a great time, just unbelievable.

 

Sir Mo Farrah was advised to wait before he went home - he was born in Somalia and is a british national , but as he holds a somalian passport he was advised to wait as he would be denied entry. its on his twitter

home being the USA.

further a PhD student based in Scotland was actively denied boarding a flight home via new York , because she holds an Iranian passport.

 

But countries like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia where you barely have to scratch the paint to see the government supporting terrorism aren't on the list, so no, that list should not be taken seriously.

Besides the fact that a list like that is highly dangerous (slippery slope and all that), there are clearly other considerations at play than security (sell us oil and buy our weapons to stay off the list will be an accusation that is hard to fight against in the case of Saudi Arabia for example).

 

also that list was sent through congress and the senate by republicans (it was a republican bill) - Obama had little say in it

 

I haven't looked into the Indus Empire but will do so, as far as the Miori people go they do not tick all the boxes required, but hats off to them for having banned the practice of eating fellow human beings in the 16th-century.

You need more than that of course you also need a suitable environment and enough people around before it can emerge. If you look at the numbers you will find that our numbers have historically always been low (even lower today after two world wars and with abortions in full swing, just look at Russia, 33% more abortions than live births) it's K-selection in full swing, you can't go r-selection when you live in harsh environments competing for limited resources so it takes longer to build the basis needed. But I digress now.

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We may have been off to a slow start but it's not a sprint. Besides, we had to wait for the ice to recede.

 

Trump took the identity politics of the regressive left turned it around and used it against them, to his help he had Kellyanne Conway who was instrumental in getting him into office

Yeah the Hitler label is thrown around to left right and center like sweets at Halloween these days.

Lets see.

Bush was called Hitler. Obama was called Hitler. Putin was called Hitler. Saddam Hussein was called Hitler. The Elvis/rock star of Asia/I wear shoes with heels, was called Hitler. Now Trump is called Hitler.

I'm not suggesting pattern recognition is important or anything but things may appear to be different at times yet they are very much the same.


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Perhaps the Austrian Corporal decided to clone himself in the afterlife and then reincarnate in legion.

 

The reason Trump has been compared to Hitler is simply because he said he wanted to impose a policy of exclusion based solely on religion. Like Hitler did.

It's a valid comparison.

 

go and tell your valid comparison story's to the night club of people shot to death with ak47's or a whole street of 70+ people flattened by a huge truck.

on and on and on.... and on and on and on..

there is a an issue..
the man is addressing it.

what's your issue?

 

The Acting Attorney General was fired for refusing to enforce Trump's ban.

 

It doesn't even matter if that is a valid reason or not to make a list of countries like that.

Why?

The guy who shot people in the night club in Orlando was born in America (his dad was from Afghanistan).

The guy who did the truck attack in Niece was from Tunisia.

Do you know what Afghanistan and Tunisia have in common? They are not on the list, so even if a terror attack was a valid reason the list of countries on it would still be wrong.

Oh well, back on ignore you go.

On another note:

Better not be anything but a spineless yesman...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38805944

 

Why? What would that achieve?

 

Yes, bbc just sent the alert. Who was it his appointment or from previos admin?

You can feel trumps karma all the way out here in london, like a knife cutting through.

Have to check this tommorow, i dont even know who it is, i only know that sessions guy was appointed.

Bed final gmt...

 

An Iraqi interpreter for the American forces was about to be deported (luckily his lawyers stopped this); a newly hired scientist with a visa was denied entry. She had to return to Switzerland where she now has no job and no home, having given up the latter because she was due to start living and working in the US on Monday. There are a number of instances of people with valid visas being put back on the plane.

 

I hope this isn't fire but I'm going to ask questions in the hope i can learn something.

If there visa-restriction then what's the criteria of those visa-restriction?

So it's just coincidence that Trump used the term Muslim ban during his campaign and now he's placed visa-restriction on some counties whose population is mainly Muslim?

Also when were these countries deemed unstable and risky, if it was last month then fair enough, if it was 6 months ago shouldn't there be a reassessment especially as there's been a change of president, if they were deemed unstable and risky a year or more ago then you'd hope they'd reassess the situation no matter what as a lot can change in a year.

Oh OK you just answered what i typed above.

Wouldn't it be prudent of any incoming president to reassess the situation before deciding on visa-restrictions, it also raises the question of why, if these countries had been deemed unstable and risky by the Obama administration, why they didn't act on that at the time.

In other words what reasons did the Obama administration give for not imposing similar visa-restrictions?

That's not what I've been reading, yes i know the media can be a little reactionary at times but it seems the Trump administrations is being just as reactionary, it seems most of these edicts from upon high have little or no thought being put into them.

This is only a guess but maybe the reason no one kicked up a fuss over that was because everyone knew what they were doing and it was legal, whereas this time around it seems based on outdated evidence without any consultation over the legality or practicalities.

But hears the thing, no one i saying America isn't allowed control over its own borders, i even agree with the stance our government has taken over this, that we should treat others the way we want to be treated and that includes not having other nations telling us how we should control our borders.

However from what I've read this particular ban, visa-restriction, border control, call it what you will seems hastily implemented with little forethought, in what you quoted from Bill Clinton state of the union address he's clearly presenting a budget, he seems to have identified a problem and has some idea of how to go about tackling that problem.

Whereas everything that seems to be coming out of the Trump administration resembles the sort of thing you'd get when you ask a 6 year old what they want for Christmas, it seems little to no thought has gone into the details of how to implement things, that doesn't exactly instil confidence and leads to mistakes.

So are you saying hundreds of thousands haven't been killed in military operation across the middle east, this very week 30 civilians including 10 women and children were killed in southern Yemen, one of those was a 6 year old girl who was shoot in the neck and left for two hours to bleed to death.

This is meant to be a serious discussion so please leave your Daily Fail headline grabbing rhetoric at the door.

 

please tell that to the victims of trooper Esteban Santiago-Ruiz at Lauderdale 3 weeks ago as I'm sure they will sympathise when a serving US solder murdered them

 

I love the way rainbowbridge asks what's our issue when there is a long list of posts explaining exactly what the issue is. But you know, apparently asking a question doesn't mean he actually wants to hear an answer.

 

No, you go tell it to 6 million dead in concentration camps. Let them know that we haven't learned anything, how we've failed to overcome prejudice and hatred, and how we still take out our fear and anxiety on anyone who's different because they're not us.

I have a lot more respect for the illegal immigrants who come from ruined countries and struggle on their own to improve their lives against any odds, compared to the pathetic overentitled weaklings who need to be saved by someone like Trump.

 

There are plenty of issues but what makes this one worse than the 15k deaths from gun crime in 2016?

And the man is not addressing it, he's exacerbating it, he's not only increased the risk for all Americans but also their allies, or have you forgotten that ISIS is hailing Trump’s Muslim ban as a major victory.

Do you even understand why the terrorists are doing what they do?

 

http://www.fudzilla.com/news/42753-trump-orders-clamp-down-on-h-1b-workers