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Hilliary vs. Trump: The 2016 US Presidental Election

Discussion in 'Serious' started by rainbowbridge, 27 Sep 2016.

  1. Anfield

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    Anti-missile systems aren't really designed to deal with artillery, plus regardless of the type, quantity and quality of any defensive system the main problem is that the short distance would result in a nearly non existent warning time.

    If North Korea actually attacks someone retaliation from South Korea and America is 100% guaranteed, Pyongyang (and with it the NK regime) would be a smoking pile of rubble within hours.
    The problem is that until then Kim Jong-un as the head of one of the worlds largest armies would easily have the opportunity to go down in the history books as a monster who killed millions as the world would see it, or as the greatest martyr who ever martyred (if he believes his own propaganda).

    NK would certainly try to stop people from leaving, but the general expectation is that that would cease to apply very quickly as loyalty based on starvation and fear is unlikely to last long if the regime fell.
    China wouldn't really be able stop them from coming, what would they do? Shoot unarmed civilians?

    All of the above is part of the reasons why so far no one has actually taken any real action against the NK regime and why the NK regime gets off on posturing rather than shooting first.
     
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  2. Harlequin

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    In 1991 the Iraq army was the largest standing army in the middle east , about 1 millionmen and some 5000 tanks , 3000 artillery and some 700 aircraft. The formations were built and trained along soviet 1980`s designs as were the C3 systems.

    24 feb 1991 the coalition entered Iraq and Kuwait , and 100 hours later the Iraq army had been shattered with over 3700 tanks destroyed and up to 100,000 Iraqi troops KIA.

    The level of overwhelming firepower brought to the table was such that an Iraqi veteran of the Iran/Iraq war commented that at the Battle of Khafji , his brigade has sustained more punishment in 30 minutes than in the entire 8 year iran/Iraq war.
     
  3. Anfield

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    I'm not doubting that the NK regime would ultimately lose and quickly at that in the case of an armed conflict, just pointing out that it could be a very bad idea to give them an excuse to go out with a bang as that bang could be very bad.
     
  4. Harlequin

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    At least its better than the last ABM system - that used nukes to stop swarms of mirvs
     
  5. Nexxo

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    Actually I think Iran had a bigger army. But that doesn't matter, as a relatively small band of Taliban Jihadi fighters demonstrated when they kicked the Allied forces all over Afghanistan with their sandaled feet for the last decade.

    Because you see, conventional fire power doesn't mean jack when the enemy goes off script and decides to fight a dirty guerilla war. And the NK army strikes me as just the sort of army that could do that.
     
  6. Harlequin

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    NK army would use swarm tactics based upon the large numbers as there's would be a campaign of conquest rather than attrition . It worked for china during the war when they came to the aid of the north. Add chemical agents into the mix it would get nasty but, the entire army is using 40 year old tech, so numbers is all they have.
     
  7. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    It wouldn't be the first time would it, not that i know for sure just going on their bad rep when it comes to human rights.

    IDK it was that useless, i also assumed it worked of radar because i thought ICBM's use rocket motors on the way up buy free-fall on the way down, but like i said i know nothing of missile defense systems.

    Wouldn't South Korea's scarper to bomb shelters if NK decided to go postal.
     
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  8. Anfield

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    Doubtful if the army would keep going with any tactic once the regime collapses.
     
  9. Harlequin

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    Corky - ABM works on 3 levels ; you have boost phase interceptors (RIM-161) ship mounted , they are designed to (if possible) overtake the icbm before it seperates . you also have THAAD designed for irbms (and maybe icbm mirvs) on desent phase. the US GMD will be for the mid course out in space.

    So yes they boost , then cruise then free fall.

    Now Israel actually has a system, which can shoot down mortars and shells - its called `Iron Dome` , likewise the USA CIWS can also do similar, but again would be hard worked in a swarm attack
     
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    Then people talk about anti-missile systems, they usually have in mind anti-ballistic missiles (Any SAM can technically act as anti-ballistic missile). Those are designed to engage targets in high altitude and at range (ideally you'd want to shoot down ICBM during its liftoff). Not to mention that the missiles themselves are big, expensive and relatively few. And they do use radar, heat seekers are only useful at short ranges - <10km.
    For rockets/artillery/mortars you want CRAM, Mantis, IronDome, etc. Then the question becomes "Are they deployed densely enough and do they have enough ammo till you organize counter-battery fire".
     
  11. Nexxo

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    Depends how fanatic they are. Taliban insurgents don't need a regime. They have their fundamentalist faith.
     
  12. Harlequin

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    Some would say that IS a regime....
     
  13. Nexxo

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    Indeed, but not one that sits in a easily targeted government building. It's one that sits in each Jihadi warrior's mind. Regimes are centralised, but ideology is distributed.
     
  14. Anfield

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    Trump makes more u-turns...

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/12/politics/trump-russia-china-nato-syria/index.html
     
  15. RedFlames

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    Well considering he couldn't remember which country he just bombed... but could remember what he was eating...

    EDIT: And apparently he's just dropped a MOAB on Afghanistan, the first time one has been used.

    Cue him regaling us about that nice bit of lemon drizzle cake he was eating whilst ordering the bombing of Norway.
     
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  16. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Nothing like dropping bombs to distract people.
     
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    Time for the awakening
     
  18. Yadda

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    "Don't vote for Hillary!" they said.
    "She'll put America on a heading for war!"

    O well, never mind, eh.
     
  19. Nexxo

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    Hey, it's just thermonuclear war. No biggie.

    Waitwaitwait, didn't Trump order the Pentagon to come up with a plan to defeat ISIS by 28th February? Whatever happened to that?
     
  20. Yadda

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    Apparently, just one nuclear bomb can ruin your whole day.
     

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