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Hilliary vs. Trump: The 2016 US Presidental Election

Discussion in 'Serious' started by rainbowbridge, 27 Sep 2016.

  1. Nexxo

    Nexxo Bargaining chip

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    Their meeting will come to nothing because it has already served its purpose: for Kim Jong-un in showing his people and the world that he is now a force to be taken seriously enough that the US president pays him attention; for Trump in showing that he is a US president who can achieve what previous US presidents couldn't.

    Arguably if anyone has overinvested in this however, it's Trump. What he does not realise is that Obama and previous US presidents refused to meet with NK because they knew damn well they would just end up being Kim Jong-Il/Un's propaganda piece, giving him credibility in the eyes of the world and back home while being set up to fail (thus undermining their own credibility). But Trump is skilled in abdicating failure and blame, so he'll wriggle out of this. And it's not as if he has any credibility with the world left; his home crowd is what matters. And they will give him the thumbs up.
     
  2. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

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    I wonder if they'll frisk the NK delegation, i wouldn't put it past NK to attempt an assassination.
     
  3. RedFlames

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    Given the summit security is being provided by the Gurkhas... NK are probably the least of tump's problems.
     
  4. RedFlames

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  5. Nexxo

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    And the UK is looking to become its bitch.
     
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    TheBlackSwordsMan This lemon curd isn't very lemony

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    The guy scorns his allies but gets along well with a dictator who had his ex-girlfriend executed by Anti-Aircraft Gun and sent assassins to murder his own brother. They'll give him the peace Nobel, and a second term....See kids, President Trump is the example to follow, now open your book "How to become a successful megalomaniac".
     
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  8. adidan

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    Press conference basically showed how Trump admires someone who kills relatives to get on and gave an uncoded message to his company to get ready to build Trump Towers NK.

    Fecking joke.
     
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    They both had their publicity moment. Nothing will happen from here. It will just take a year for people to catch on to that.
     
  10. adidan

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    Yeah, it's more smoke and mirrors. Both can return home claiming a publicity win and that's that.

    Empty comments with random tweets will be the course no doubt.
     
  11. Anfield

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    And that is all Trump needs, a year is plenty to have an influence on the midterm elections in a couple months...
     
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    Odds on you saying this if it were Obama shaking his hand?
     
  13. adidan

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    Consevative commentators who went after Obama about Cuba say the Republicans would have had him impeached if he'd done what Trump did.

    Not big fans of turning on the G7 and giving NK a publicity stunt.
     
  14. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

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    Whatever it was it's better than threatening each other with nukes so there's that i guess, although given Trump cancelled the Iran deal because of 'reasons' it seems odd that NK got so much from the meeting for so little, they probably couldn't believe Trump fell for it.
     
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    Pliqu3011 oh no

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    "Fox News Had a Different Reaction When Obama Wanted to Negotiate with North Korea"

    Originally from NowThis (just picked some youtube upload to embed here)
     
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    Yeah but Trump is already known for saying one thing then tweeting that he's doing something completely different.
     
  18. Nexxo

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    That's like asking if I would still think Jacob Rees-Moth is a bit of a **** if he suddenly gave away half of his wealth to charity and manned a soup kitchen for the homeless on weekends. :p
     
  19. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

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    Shouldn't we be judging a man (or woman) by their actions though, as much as you may dislike Trump, and i can see many reasons for disliking him, if something tangible comes from the meeting then isn't that all that matters.

    Not that i think well see any long term improvements in the region, i suspect NK got everything it wanted out of the meeting, a relaxing of sanctions, the lowering of Americas guard, increased approval back home, and all without really giving anything up.
     
  20. adidan

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    Sure if peace breaks out, great, but he is a bag of contradictions and misdirection so i'll wait and see.

    There's already a difference of opinion between the US and NK about what was actually agreed.
     

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