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Hilliary vs. Trump: The 2016 US Presidental Election

Discussion in 'Serious' started by rainbowbridge, 27 Sep 2016.

  1. Nexxo

    Nexxo * Prefab Sprout – The King of Rock 'n' Roll

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    Didn't work out so well with George Bush Jr.

    People in the UK voted for Brexit for the same reason: things are bad the way they are now, so at least a change, any change has got to be better. I mean, it can't get any worse, can it?

    Except that things can always get worse, and now it looks like they will. So bad in fact, that the government still does not have a plan, won't pull the trigger on Article 50 and the only politicians who argue for doing so have by any objective measure already demonstrated that they have no grasp at all of the facts.

    Trump will not be the change you expect. He is not about change; that's not how Trump works. Trump is a brand: something for people to project on and for corporations --and their political party-- to wield as a charm to enchant the consumer/voter.

    It will be much, much more of the very same, very bad things. Much more so than Clinton.
     
  2. MadGinga

    MadGinga oooh whats this do?

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    Now that's an image I really didn't need... :grr:
     
  3. walle

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    Dr Strange Love: Or How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb and embrace the fear porn.



    Character
    One is a psychopath and career criminal, the other suffers from attention seeking disorder and ADD.

    Lies.
    Either one claiming the other lies and cheats - including their respective supporters - is basically the pot calling the kettle black.

    Pick a new battleground.
     
  4. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    I read one lied more than the other though, IIRC fact checkers said one got their facts wrong 43 times and the other 3, I'll let you guess whose who.
     
  5. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    There's only one problem with letting it all burn, the people in their castles come away smelling of roses, seeing how they live in stone castles and everyone else lives in wooden shacks.

    In case that's to cryptic, all burning the system down will do is concentrate wealth, and by extension power, with those that already have lots of it as money and power afford you protections normal people can't afford.
     
  6. walle

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    Historically revolutions has never worked because they have always taken place within the very system they sought to change, therefore the result has always been: Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

    For a revolution to work it would have to take place outside of the system itself which at this point in time would be impossible to achieve because most people are dependent on it for their very survival to begin with. Think: Electricity, water and food.

    With this in mind I don't see any - meaningful - revolution happen in any foreseeable future.
     
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  7. Nexxo

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    Seems it's true then: the Fins are the happiest people in the world. :p

    Corky42 and Wallet are right. A revolt of the people usually ends in a bloody mess, from which the next demagogue arises like a phoenix from the ashes.
     
  8. Nexxo

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    Yes it does, and no it won't happen. And revolutions always end up being messy, or bloody, or both, and in the end may result in different politicians, but the same ****.

    Because the system is the way it is for a reason: people being people. People change on an evolutionary time scale (i.e. very slowly), so we'll end up with the same result every time.
     
  9. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    The best way, if there can be such a thing, would be an evolution not a revolution.

    A revolution results in a replacement that often repeats the mistakes of the past, an evolution, when done correctly, kills off the bad and prevents it from returning while keeping the good.
     
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    I think that outlook sums up the alt right. It's all very Catcher In The Rye.
     
  11. Archtronics

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    Trumps just the figure head for the antiestablishment/ antiglobalisation movements across pretty much every western democracy. Even if he doesn't win it's still going to continue and someone else will take his place.

    I think it's mainly down to how fast life and technology is changing, the whole School-one job-house-marriage-kids-retirement no longer exists and that frightens folks. Especially the older generation as demonstrated by the brexit vote.
     
  12. rainbowbridge

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    Infowars :D
     
  14. rainbowbridge

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    He references a lot (in that video) the failing Business aspect of America. Here they are from 3:38min.

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  15. Nexxo

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    Yeah, turns out running a ten-year war in Iraq and Afghanistan is rather expensive. Who knew?

    BTW here's another Trump video. :D
     
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    Perhaps, but being scared won't solve anything.

    Youth unemployment is so high because of the poor education system failure to evolve and keep pace with job trends. To some extent a lack of hard work by workers generally to keep up with learning further compounds issues.

    I think future historians will look back on this period as one of "Technological" revolution, a little like the industrial revolution. Jobs will change and people will be left behind as old industry's die and new ones take there place.
     
  17. Corky42

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    A perfect example of why measuring debt in actual numbers is highly misleading, it's why economists use % of GDP.

    I always get lost with whose on what side (Republican or Democrat) and what side of the political spectrum they are however when looking at Americas Historical debt levels the debt to GDP ratio seems seems to typically go up when the Republican are in power and down when the Democratic are, now i just have to look up what side Trump and Clinton are on. :blush:
     
  18. rainbowbridge

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    trump has been a successful Business man and is trying to bring those tools to the role, what has Hillary done successfully other than lie cheat steal oh and build up a RIP list 200 deep.




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  19. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    I needed a laugh, thanks. :)
     
  20. Nexxo

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    Yeah, that's why Trump has suffered four bankruptcies and still owes a lot of debt.

    But running a country is not quite the same as running a business, doncha know? People keep falling for that myth because it is an idea appealing in its simplicity. But the real world is not simple.
     

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