Hilliary vs. Trump: The 2016 US Presidental Election

As a Business man of how many years, if he did any thing but file excellently put together tax filings slanted towards Tax avoidance we would all be surprised.

He gained government building contracts in Washington as you heard him list off in a debate, this vets his credibility and legality as there is a strict vetting process to be able to build government buildings especially in the capital.

You have address none of the materials I have posted and to me you are completely on a different planet, best step would be to run through the thread again to catch up.

What is the trump alternative.... Clinton was not a possibility as has been born out even with millions of illegals cooked on to the books (+rigging+) and the mass media edging every which way since Sunday.

Happy Xmas Corky42 enjoy the holidays! our boy is in the Whitehouse!

 

But until he publishes his tax returns as all candidates did, we will never know, will we?

Yup, we're on planet Earth. Your 'materials' have been challenged a number of times. You just don't want to acknowledge it.

 

What Assad did or didn't do doesn't matter any more, governments in the west decided a couple years ago he needs to go and have already taken actions to undermine his power, flip flopping on the issue and suddenly backing him would have consequences of its own.

Of course there are consequences to the actions we took, but we burnt the bridge when we wanted him dead.

Why do you hold RT up as some shining beacon of honesty?

Straight from the mouth of Putin:

https://www.rt.com/news/putin-rt-interview-full-577/

Also seven pages ago I took a dig at that ridiculous first 100 days of Trump list you love so much, care to explain some of the points I brought up?

Like for example how he wants to spend the same money on different things? Or that he thinks coal is a clean source of energy?

 

You believe the same government that trump claims is corrupt to the core has validated him as a trustworthy contractor. Just the thought of you trusting a, never mind just the US, government to pick private contractors that don't fleece them, regardless of trump, is just well....

 

goes to show you how complicated every thing is (must be?) that mitt Romney isn't being given a large truck stop toilet to clean for the rest of his career, but possibly up for secretary of state.

 

There's a world of difference between filing your tax returns and making them public, the IRS doesn't care about anything other than if you're paying your correct amount of TAX, they don't make moral judgments and they don't report you if your TAX returns show a conflict of interests.

And what would this strict vetting process entail, maybe you need to elaborate and provide details of what checks your self professed corrupt government carry out.

You and i know that's a lie, I've asked you many times about the material you've been posting and you've consistently refused to debate those issues.

How about when i asked...

You failed to address those issues.
Or how about when i asked you to answer this...

Another issues i raised and you failed to answer.

And that's just another example, you've yet to provide any evidence of these spurious claims.

 

The IRS said quite bluntly

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/270964-irs-nothing-prevents-trump-from-releasing-tax-returns

 

I spoke with a colleague recently who has published an article on Brexit and the Trump election, doing a psychological formulation on the whole phenomenon. The model argues that far from being exceptional, what occurred is a regular phenomenon in politics that can be applied to what is referred to as 'the left' and 'the right' equally, and indeed to any ideological movement, religion included.

The model roughly works like this (it's a diagram, so it may lose a bit in translation as I put it in sequential sentences, but here goes):

1. Life is complicated. It's full of confusing and conflicting ideas. People feel bewildered and confused, anxious and angry. There is a strong desire for someone to tell them where they stand.

2. A narcissistic demagogue comes along and provides people with what they seek: "Here is the answer!" The Big Appealing Idea arises: People submit and belong. (Simultaneously, an opposing Big Anti-Idea may arise...).

3. Because people are now attached to the Big Appealing Idea, it becomes a defining and controlling force that defines people's thinking. As the Big Appealing Idea is elevated, other ideas must be 'split off' (a process of psychological disassociation and denial) and attacked and dismissed as unthinkable and alien.

4. Thinking becomes prejudiced, narrow-minded, and no dialogue is possible. This leads to a relational poverty at best and outright conflict, rage, hostility and aggression at worst. There is a sense of loss, despair and hurt on all sides leading back to stage 1.

So you see where rainbowbridge is right now. He cannot engage in dialogue, because he is somewhere at stage 3.

On a larger scale, all parties, whether Trumpeteers (see what I did there? ) or anti-Trumpers, Brexiteers or Remainers, are all at stage 3, moving to 4. There is no negotiation about how we talk as well as what we want to talk about, so that we can have a mutually respectful negotiation about ideas based in shared curiosity and a democracy of thoughts and feelings. By connecting ideas, understanding grows. We keep open minded, tolerate uncertainty and stay rationally intelligent in all this, and remain compassionate, not contemptuous, and are able to mix scepticism with enthusiasm in equal measure.

 

To cross correlate to certain segments of society , more malleable to your ideals would make the jump between 2,3 and 4 either very rapid or even non existent.

I can see some of Parsons functionalist theory at work here as well , which is disappointing but very true of certain aspects of American society , they have not moved forward.

Thinking more - he was aiming for the disaffected white workers , so , an element of Marxism as well maybe?

 

Good point. Currently re-reading Parson's theories.

 

Yep, if you go far enough left you find yourself on the extreme right and if you go far enough right you find yourself on the extreme left.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

Which ties in nicely with extremists being bad, regardless of left or right labels and also explains how there can be surprising parallels in stuff people like Mao and Trump say despite them being on supposedly completely opposing ends of the political spectrum.

 

Yup. I've often thought that Bible-belt Americans and fundamentalist Muslims should be relating to each other far better than they do.

 

but Christian extremists are `our` extremists , so they only have mental health issues when they go on mass murder gun rampages....unlike those ebil moslems....

 

What the Big Idea supporters want:

1.More jobs, more money.

Big Answer 1: We'll bring more jobs, you'll have more money!

2. No more illegal Mexicans.

Big Answer 2: We'll deport them, we'll build a wall!

3. Protection against terrorism.

Big Answer 3: We'll destroy terrorists!

4. Law and order.

Big Answer 4: We'll bring back law and order!

5. No more governmental corruption, no more abuse from corporations.

Big Answer 5: We'll eradicate corruption, the corporations will be punished!

Etc etc etc

 

I believe there is an element of mental disorder required for someone to identify with extremist views and not care about the inevitable collateral damage that originates from trying to implement those extremist views regardless of which religion or political side they identify with.

Essentially extremists put their own views over considerations of the greater good of society, which could be viewed in a similar line as malignant narcissism.

But I'll defer to Nexxo for more in depth stuff on that.

 

What they want are simple solutions to simple questions, unfortunately neither the solution nor the question end up being that simple.