Original story Obviously this is good, but why did it take so long? And how many milliseconds will it take Bush to veto it?
I always thought waterboarding was the thing where you had a body board on 2" of water, took a run-up and jumped on it, seeing how far you could go. It really wigged me out when I saw "CIA agent admits to waterboarding" - I thought "It's not that embarrassing, is it?"
Sadly I was thinking the same thing, I'm not well versed in torture methods. No this shouldn't be done. However I doubt that it's even close to the worst thing these people do.
Snap with the title... Hope it goes through though, doesn;t seem like something a civilised western country should be doing legally RwD
I don't understand how simulating drowning has been argued to be not torture by this administration. It sickens me that our government would do this sort of thing to people, no matter what the person has done.
A lot of what the goverment(s) do these days sickens me. but it seams like we are at the point where speaking out about it brands you as a terrorist. Or at least gets you shot with a taser.
That's called skimboarding, and I'll tell you that 90% of the people who do it are doing it wrong - you're supposed to go into the waves and pull tricks. Otherwise, if you're an adult and do that then you're a dumb tourist who's too much of a wuss to actually surf. (Not you personally, just in general I mean) Sorry of the tangent, that really ticks me off!!
Don't waterboard me bro! Yeah, for such an advanced time as we are living in, its odd that these practices haven't been completely removed, as they have no place in a civilized society.
Apparently there's already news of Bush threatening to veto the bill. Where's Oswald when you need him...
they do it like this. Also bush doesnt have to veto it he can just use a signing statement Glad to see some progress in the USA but damn 199 disgusting people in your house of reps.
No, I don't do that. I don't go to beaches. SAND = BAD SALT WATER = BAD SALT WATER in SAND CHAFES = VERY BAD Back on topic - What equipment do you need for waterboarding then?
Not that I agree with this position, but I think it's instructive to look at why 199 congresscritters and a substantial portion of the country feel that torture is accepable. Fundamentally it comes down to a belief that anything is acceptable if it increases our personal security. Many Americans are convinced that they are the only people on the planet that matter and so anything done to "other" people which makes them safer is OK. The arguement generally boils down to "but they attacked us and we have a right to defend ourselves by any means necessary". Some of this is ignorance, It's still fairly easy in much of America to go your whole life without meeting anyone who is fundamentally different from you. I am often reminded of this myself when I travel to Seattle and Vancouver and remember that oh yeah, there are black people in the world. There are almost no minorities in the area where I live. It's a lot easier to vilify "them" if you don't live and work with "them" on a daily basis. The good news is that I think this will change significantly within my lifetime. It is getting harder and harder to remain isolated in homogenious enclaves and the youth of today, even if they have never met someone from another country in person, have almost certainly met them online. Another change with the myspace generation is that we are used to judging people on their ideas rather than their appearence as this is frequently all we know about them from their oline personas. Think about our own bit-tech community. Yes, some of us have posted pictures, and I'm sure most of us have formed mental images of what others must look like, but really we are comfortable dealing with people independent of their appearences. This is a fundamental shift in social relations and one that I believe will ultimatly reduce ignorance and bigotry.
