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News IBM heats university via supercomputer

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by CardJoe, 25 Jun 2009.

  1. CardJoe

    CardJoe Freelance Journalist

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  2. mjm25

    mjm25 New Member

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    how do they get the water to 60C in the first place to introduce into the system? haha

    ...someone put the kettle on...
     
  3. PT88

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    if i understand correctly the water is part of the Universitys Heating system, so the water in the heating loop will probably be 60 degrees. I guess its jus a matter of taking some "used" water from the system to cool the Rig, ie water that has already been thru radiators

    Good idea
     
  4. Krikkit

    Krikkit All glory to the hypnotoad! Super Moderator

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    The two loops are separate. No water is taken from the heating through the computer.

    The rack itself will heat the water to 60'C without too much trouble from nothing anyway - just lower the flow of the water. Even if they did use a kettle, don't forget you'll only have to heat the water to 60'C once too - it doesn't go off every night like normal computers.

    Clever idea really - in summer when the heating's off they can just keep exchanging the heat with the giant heating system anyway, so no worries about overheating!
     
  5. liratheal

    liratheal Sharing is Caring

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    If anything, I'm more surprised that this hasn't been done before.
     
  6. mclean007

    mclean007 Officious Bystander

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    I read not too long ago about a plan to exhaust server room heat into large greenhouses. This is not dissimilar. Makes perfect sense to me. There was also that other plan involving an offshore tidal generator off the north of Scotland, the difficulty being the cost and inefficiency of moving the power generated hundreds of miles to civilisation. The genius plan was to build a server farm up there to soak up the majority of the power, use the waste heat to warm greenhouses, connect to the local grid to feed in spare power or receive top-up power where needed, and just have a bundle of fibre-optics going up there rather than dirty great UHV power lines. Smart thinking I say.
     
  7. robyholmes

    robyholmes I'm under your desk...

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    I have seen someone heat a swimming pool online with 4 computers? Or help too heat it.
     
  8. p3n

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    Google have been pioneering things like this for a while now, basically people realised that you dont need to keep data centers at -20 degrees - I believe Googles' most nerdy datacenter uses an evaporation tower to get rid of excess joules...
     
  9. Evildead666

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    Google also did a test about HDD's, where the cold, warm, and hot disks were tallied from the dead disks.
    They found that more disks went funny if they were kept cold and/or hot, but the longest life was warm.
    Or so I remember.
    Basically, you didn't need to keep the disks cold was the output.

    I find 60C a bit high for a starting point, but they will have tested it to death, and a security will be in place so nothing will fry.
    A very good idea.
     
  10. Flibblebot

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    60c is perfectly within the operating range of modern processors. They're not trying to overclock them, after all, so there's no real need to cool, just to keep the chips from overheating.
     
  11. I-E-D

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    Exactly my though son :)

    So how many normal computers would I need to watercool them all providing enough heat to all the radiators in my house?

    :D make one massive loop. 5 i7 OC'd i7 Computers, attached to 1000mm radiators, and a huge waterpump. Sorted :) Well, bye bye heating bills, hello electricty :S
     
  12. B1GBUD

    B1GBUD ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Accidentally Funny

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    I've been considering using my loop for underfloor heating! although leak detection would mean pulling the floor up!
     
  13. Goty

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    The water is 60C, not the processors. You've got to keep in mind the CPU-water temp delta. Granted, assuming their system doesn't royally suck, their delta shouldn't be anywhere near high enough to matter.

    As for the system itself, 10 TFLOPS seems kind of... low...

    Seriously, there are plenty of enthusiasts out there that approach half this computing power on video cards alone.
     
  14. kempez

    kempez modding again!

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    That's pretty cool (;))

    Our data centre is used to heat the building too :)
     
  15. Phil Rhodes

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    This suggests itself as a combined technology with that remote game playing thing, where the game runs remotely and sends you the result as a video image. Scale that up a few orders of magnitude, and you've got a civic computer cluster that serves a whole town, and provides heat to it as well.

    Of course we'll all be living in arcologies by the time that happens...

    P
     
  16. Cupboard

    Cupboard I'm not a modder.

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    Like an extension of combined heat and power: combined heat power and computing :)
     
  17. Burnout21

    Burnout21 Is the daddy!

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    my computer has been heating my room for years! It was the only thing to keep me warm at night in uni halls, had it running intels burn test to keep it at 100% load over night.
     
  18. g3n3tiX

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    I read another article about the same setup where the water temp was 40°C.
    Nice initiative though.
     
  19. The_Beast

    The_Beast I like wood ಠ_ಠ

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    very cool but I doubt it's a new idea


    In the colder day around here I'll leave my computer on (running a 75% with Fold@home) to keep warm
     
  20. RichCreedy

    RichCreedy Hey What Who

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    see i said i should have patented my idea, lol
     
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