Rant I'd forgotten

See post two... its a mathematical error. Windows uses 1024mb for a gigabyte disk manufactures use 1000mb when you do the maths there is nothing to be done but get the manufactures to label disks properly.

 

It's not an error. Storage manufacturers (not RAM) use base 10 to notify you of size. Other manufacturers use base 2. The problem arises because until recently, the base 2 guys had no prefix to use.

 

He never payed for those 190GB. Why should he then have the right to claim it?

 

The manufactuers are labeling the disks properly. A giga-anything is 1,000,000,000 of it. It's the OS guys that are giving results that have the wrong units attached.

 

pfff that's cheap I overclocked my quad to 15.2 GHz ...

I kind of agree but with the CPU it was written on ads (I think) that the frequency is not 2600+. With HDs it is never mentioned anywhere so for non-tech people it might be confusing, Vista or Windows should display that it is computed using 1024 base ...

It is like mbps instead of MB/s ... who the **** wants to describe the speed of his internet line by multiplying by 8 ???

In fact I have the ultimate solution for this ... why won't these lazy *******s at Microsoft just display units in 1.0e3 base instead of choosing in which color the next window to ask you "if you want to do what you just asked to do" will be ?

Windows: Do you want to do what you just asked me to do ?
[Allow] [Deny] [ChangeOS]

The component you have just been running is trying to do something. (but in the meantime I have let all the dangerous pieces of code execute themselves and steal your information)
[Allow] [Deny]

 

Actually, windows DO display both values Just go to the properties of a drive. There you will have the number of bits, and beside it, the number of GB calculated with 1kb=1024b
And besides, AFAIK all operating systems displays the value the same way.

 

well, he did and he didn't. If you buy a HDD that says 750GB and you pop it in and a good chunk of it is missing, (Seems to be anyways) it's like wtf? Sure it is all there, but to avoid the whole wtf thing for less experienced users in the first place mabye they should label them so. I did not know what causes that space to be "missing" (I actually thought it was windows using it for something lol) Argh, I guess it doesn't really matter for me to wonder about it since there's nothing I can do about it.

 

A tiny amount does disappear from a drive, but as said above it appears to be gone because of the use of different bases for calculations.

 

If they label them "correctly" one of two things will happen:

1: The prices will rise, and only the enthusiasts will ever notice the difference (the average Joe will almost never fill a drive. They mess up something and lose all their files way before that )

True. I think less disappears on NTFS, though. (correct me if I'm wrong here).
This isn't a big problem with todays drive sizes, though.

 

I think they're just messing with our heads guys. Its a big conspiracy to have an uprising against major HDD manufacturers.

 

You are wrong and right, the problem you cited is not related to the base.

(correct me if I am wrong, has been a VERY long time I have not been doing any system programming.

In fact somewhere on the drive you must have a table which tells you where is every part and data and to which file they belong to ... etc

In NTFS you can configure the granularity of the unit block used (the minimum size of each block on the hard drive), if you have many small files it is better to reduce this size but it will inversely increase the size of the table holding the indexes for these blocks (you have many more blocks).

If you do the opposite, small files will still take the size of the block on the harddrive but the index will be smaller.

In fact any file is taking the closest multiple of this unit block size rounded up.

 

I don't know what all the fuss is about, you could have the OS show you the same size as you think it should be, then everything you install take up a little bit more space. It isn't like only a few manufacturers are gypping you, its the same everywhere.

Or, instead of paying x amount for a 750GB drive, you could pay the same for a 700GB drive. Then you'll all moan at that.

Very very little disappears due to formatting, its all about the way the capacity is measured. HDD manus are using a different scale to the OS.

I've "lost" around 400GB across the board and you don't hear me moaning about it.
Quit your bellyaching tbh

 

the only way to use the deny option, is to realize there is no deny option

 

just read this, link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte
am i the only one who thinks those are some stupid names?

1000kb*1000Kb = a Megabyte
1024kb*1000kb = a mebibyte

 

They might be labelling it right, but it's still misleading to the consumer. It always annoys me when I have to stop to think for a second how big the hard drive actually is.